Good Friday reality

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Psalm 22, written 1000 years before Jesus was born, describes in detail Jesus’ experience on the cross. Crucifixion will not be “invented” for another 900 years, yet Psalm 22 accurately describes what it is like to be crucified. Here are verses 12-18

My life is poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.

My heart is like wax,
melting within me.

My strength has dried up like sunbaked clay.
My tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth.
You have laid me in the dust and left me for dead.

My enemies surround me like a pack of dogs;
an evil gang closes in on me.
They have pierced my hands and feet.

I can count every bone in my body.
My enemies stare at me and gloat.

They divide my clothes among themselves
and throw dice for my garments.

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12 thoughts on “Good Friday reality

  1. He is coming. Sunday is coming.
    Why the cloth is described separately? It was folded. In a Jewish household if the master of the house throws his napkin on the table and leaves, then he is finished. If he folds it and moves away from the table he is coming back. Amen. Jesus is returning. He will overcome death.

    Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

    3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.

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    • “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

      The account by author of John is interesting. Matthew has not one, but two Marys, leaving the tomb and meeting both an angel and Jesus himself before reporting to the disciples. Strange that the women would have reported a missing body when they met the risen Jesus himself.

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      • No Alexie, it should have been pretty clear that I didn’t mean anything like that.

        If you had gone to the tomb and either found it empty or seen an angel open it (as per the account in Matthew), and then, on your way to tell your mates you chat to the angel and actually meet the risen Jesus, what is the first thing you tell your mates?

        Surely not “Hey guys, the tomb’s empty and we can’t find the body”, as the John account says.

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      • Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this year!
        So you are saying that when someone dies it would not be a surprise to see this person walking around? That, given your opinion is correct, that they may not have wanted to say He is risen but just went with the body is missing?
        Obviously you have not read the accounts in detail. No matter ignorance is bliss they say.
        Ahhh, let us take a verse complexity out of context and with ignorance let us create a false premise using a question. Let us do that.
        No!!!!!
        Let us do some reading, some understanding, some discussion. Try to enter into this discussion Stu.

        Mary Magdalene went to the tomb alone while it was still dark. The other women came with the myrrh and spices as the sun came up. It is common for people to confuse the women. The Lord did not appear to all of them but only to Mary Magdalene who, therefore, was not with the others Mark (16:9).
        Mary of Magdala began the spreading of the good news and this did not happen all at once. The women had to go from house to house — not only the two Marys, but the other myrrh-bearers as well, then the disciples.
        It is obvious, when one reads all the accounts, that the two Marys went to the tomb together after Mary Magdalene had already been there alone, and that both already knew of the resurrection.

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      • It is not that the evidence has been investigated and found wanting, it is that the evidence has not been investigated at all.

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      • N. T. Wright writes: ‘I have examined all the alternative explanations, ancient and modern, for the rise
        of the early church, and I have
        to say that far and away the best historical explanation is that Jesus
        of Nazareth…really did rise from
        the dead.’14 Such is the weakness of naturalistic explanations for the facts supporting the resurrection that even critical scholars, like Geza Vermes, conclude that all possible naturalistic explanations fail upon further examination.

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      • “So you are saying that when someone dies it would not be a surprise to see this person walking around?”

        No, that’s not what I’m saying either. What I have done is to juxtapose the accounts at the tomb and the subsequent report to the disciples in (a) John and (b) Matthew from my copy of the Bible (ESV). It’s not surprising to see a dead person walking around, but it is surprising to then report “the body is missing” when that person had just spoken to you.

        It’s to be expected that you react with accusations of ignorance and taking verses out of context. You aren’t the first apologist to do that and you won’t be the last. But you could at least try and demonstrate these things.

        “The Lord did not appear to all of them but only to Mary Magdalene who, therefore, was not with the others Mark (16:9).”

        Matthew makes it clear that that Jesus appeared to “them” not just Mary M:

        “So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.”

        That they departed “quickly” and “ran” to tell the disciples is also at odds with your suggestion that they went house to house before going to the disciples.

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  2. Once there were three trees on a hill in the woods. They were discussing their hopes and dreams when the first tree said, ‘Someday I hope to be a treasure chest. I could be filled with gold, silver and precious gems. I could be decorated with intricate carving and everyone would see the beauty.’

    Then the second tree said, ‘Someday I will be a mighty ship. I will take Kings and Queens across the waters and sail to the corners of the world. Everyone will feel safe in me because of the strength of my hull.’

    Finally the third tree said, ‘I want to grow to be the tallest and straightest Tree in the forest. People will see me on top of the hill and look up to my branches, and think of the heavens and God and how close to them I am reaching. I will be the greatest tree of all time and people will always remember me.’

    After a few years of praying that their dreams would come true, a group of woodsmen came upon the trees. When one came to the first tree he said, ‘This looks like a strong tree, I think I should be able to sell the wood to a carpenter, ‘and he began cutting it down. The tree was happy, because he knew that the carpenter would make him into a treasure chest…

    At the second tree the woodsman said, ‘This looks like a strong tree. I should be able to sell it to the shipyard.’ The second tree was happy Because he knew he was on his way to becoming a mighty ship.
    When the woodsmen came upon the third tree, the tree was frightened because he knew that if they cut him down his dreams would not come true. One of the woodsmen said, ‘I don’t need anything special from my tree, I’ll take this one,’ and he cut it down.

    When the first tree arrived at the carpenters, he was made into a feed box for animals. He was then placed in a barn and filled with hay. This was not at all what he had prayed for.

    The second tree was cut and made into a small fishing boat. His dreams of being a mighty ship and carrying kings had come to an end.

    The third tree was cut into large pieces, and left alone in the dark.

    The years went by, and the trees forgot about their dreams.

    Then one day, a man and woman came to the barn. She gave birth and they placed the baby in the hay in the feed box that was made from the first tree. The man wished that he could have made a crib for the baby, but this manger would have to do. The tree could feel the importance of this event and knew that it had held the greatest treasure of all time.

    Years later, a group of men got in the fishing boat made from the second tree. One of them was tired and went to sleep. While they were out on the water, a great storm arose and the tree didn’t think it was strong enough to keep the men safe. The men woke the sleeping man, and He stood and said ‘Peace’ and the storm stopped. At this time, the tree knew that it had carried the King of Kings in its boat.

    Finally, someone came and got the third tree. It was carried through the streets as the people mocked the man who was carrying it. When they came to a stop, the man was nailed to the tree and raised in the air to die at the top of a hill. When Sunday came, the tree came to realize that it was strong enough to stand at the top of the hill and be as close to God as was possible, because Jesus had been crucified on it.

    The moral of this story is that when things don’t seem to be going your way, always know that God has a plan for you… If you place your trust in Him, God will give you great gifts.

    Each of the trees got what they wanted, just not in the way they had imagined.

    We don’t always know what God’s plans are for us. We just know that His ways are not always our ways, but His ways are always best.

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  3. “My enemies surround me like a pack of dogs;
    an evil gang closes in on me.
    They have pierced my hands and feet.”

    or?

    “wild dogs surround me—
    a gang of evil men crowd around me;
    like a lion they pin my hands and feet.”

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