Apocalyptic madness

INSPIRED by earthquakes and Islamic State, the doomsday prophets are busy driving fear into the hearts of the gullible.
Yep, it’s Armageddon season again and it’s a rich time for the conspiracy theorists. Nothing new there; apocalyptic visions are a part of many belief systems and probably most often reflect the preoccupations of a stressed society.
Somewhere in this hideous mix of selective fundamentalism is the notion that this world is a mere waiting room, easily discarded, like the heathens who populate it.
The belief that humans are created in the image of a loving God seems to be diminishing. Secular and religious groups sometimes seem to teach that we are not worth much because we are human. Thus, we deserve the plagues and pestilence that are to come.
There seem no limits to this something-dreadful-is-about-to-happen-right-now lunacy.
A lot of the speculation about imminent Armageddon is based on the final Biblical book, Revelation.
Some believe this foretells a world battle from which a new dictator _ the Anti-christ _ will emerge. A global war will follow in which most of the population will die and the surviving believers will be whisked to heaven in a supernatural event called the Rapture.
The Rapture Index, a popular internet barometer that supposedly calculates a rise in natural and man-made disasters, claims it gauges how close we are to the end. Anything above 145 signals the Apocalypse is near. In recent weeks, it has been hovering about 180. But last year it hit 188.
Christians and Jews have been on the lookout for the advent of the Antichrist since he was first referred to in the Old Testament.
He was first described by the ancient prophet Daniel, who 2600 years ago wrote of a satanic individual who, in the final days of the planet, would be supreme world dictator for seven years and be known by the numbers 666. He was defined by Daniel as the most evil man that would ever live.
The game to identify the Antichrist has been going on for years. Franklin D. Roosevelt was a candidate. So were the Emperor Nero, Charlemagne, Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler, Henry Kissinger, Ronald Wilson Reagan (because he had six letters in each of his names), Saddam Hussein and John F. Kennedy (he received 666 votes at one political convention.
Some speculation comes with urban myths. One tells of a group that is planning to clone Jesus from religious relics if the Son Of God doesn’t return soon.
Another claims airlines will not pair Christian pilots and co-pilots out of fear that the Rapture will snatch away both crew members capable of landing the flight.
Another tells of a minister who picks up an angelic hitchhiker. The hitchhiker says the second coming of Christ is imminent, then disappears.
Not surprisingly, no one has yet been able to track down the players in either of the stories.
The stories are urban myths. Old ones, too. They have been passed around, in one form or another, for a few years now. The internet has breathed new life into the myths.
There’s certainly evidence that this world will one day end. There are plenty of Biblical prophecies of wars and rumours of war signalling the end times, but we should all stop worrying about dates and times.
Many Christians believe those events could occur soon. Some are obsessed by it.
It is a time when people can be easily misguided.


77 thoughts on “Apocalyptic madness

  1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

    Mark 13:32

    Only God knows the hour. Anyone that says they know the hour is either misguided or inspired by Satan. Tilt game over.


    • Hi Dom,

      I heard a preacher say recently that the Scripture above isn’t valid now because Jesus is in Heaven and He and the Father are One. So He does know when He will return, and it is quite feasible to expect Jesus to warn His prophets of the times and seasons, if He so wishes.

      Revelation 19:11-16, “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. ‘He will rule them with an iron scepter.’ He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.”

      “Before Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection, He said the Father alone knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn’t until after Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection that omniscience is attributed to Jesus.

      Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was then glorified in His resurrection. Yet, He was still a man (cf. Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5). After Jesus’ resurrection, He was able to appear and disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man; but, it is, apparently, the normal ability of a resurrected and glorified man. Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change. He was still a man, and yet He knew all things.”…….CARM


      • If it is fulfillment of feasts, either Unleavened Bread or Tabernacles, no man knows the day nor the hour for the very straight forward reason that the calendar is not known in advance; it is an agricultural harvests based, empirical sciences calendar, two witnesses of the new moon are a requirement for the Shofar to be blown. Then very specifically people are to count days. King David says in psalms, number your days. The celebration of Pentecost in the upper room was all about counting down days and waiting.
        But the second coming is a two stage event. For Bride and for Jews – two separate events. Thus two peoples: bride and friends of the bride. Psalm 90.12. says count down your days.


      • Scrpture never obrogates Scripture

        So you will refrain from eating unclean meat from now on Alexie ?


      • University of Minnesota neuroscientist Shmuel Lissek, suspects that some apocalyptic believers find the idea that the end is nigh to be validating. Individuals with a history of traumatic experiences, for example, may be fatalistic. For these people, finding a group of like-minded fatalists is reassuring. There may also be comfort in being able to attribute doom to some larger cosmic order—such as an ancient Mayan prophecy. This kind of mythology removes any sense of individual responsibility.
        Social psychologist Karen Douglas at the University of Kent studies conspiracy theorists and suspects that her study subjects, in some cases, share attributes with those who believe in an impending apocalypse. She points out that, although these are essentially two different phenomena, certain apocalyptic beliefs are also at the heart of conspiracy theories.
        “One trait I see linking the two is the feeling of powerlessness, often connected to a mistrust in authority,” Douglas says. Among conspiracy theorists, these convictions of mistrust and impotence make their conspiracies more precious—and real. “People feel like they have knowledge that others do not.”


      • Lien, one of the reasons unbelievers have turned up here, I think, is to see if their belief system can be successfully refuted; it is actually an honest endeavour in peer revision. “let’s see if our boat floats, our bucket holds water. test the welds”

        the ultimate test of the bible is prophesy. Daniel’s predictions of kingdoms and people who lived after him is stunning for details.

        The fulfillment of prophesy right now is the ultimate vindication of faith in Jesus’ words. The destruction of the Temple in 70 AD was vindication of believing Christians over unbelieving Jews. The believing Christians got to live – full stop.

        People in Jesus’ own day misquoted Him. At His trial they said this man says He can rebuild the temple in 3 days. ie they quoted Him [insert ironical grin] and didn’t understand or correctly believe.

        Rick Joyner, Mena Grebin, William Branham, and now the new one, Renee M/ Renee Moses could all have heard something from the LORD and all have put their own wrong interpretations on it. That makes them mistaken/ not wrong, shaken/ not stirred. All they have to do is repent and get on with it. And I would be a fool to dismiss a vision because someone narrated it incorrectly.

        These aren’t the day of stoning false prophets. Test all things. All things.

        When Pharoah had visions they were from God but he couldn’t interpret them nor his inhouse, circle of wise men/ the quasi intellectual elite of their days.

        I could write a small book on this now. Jesus’ said when you see what things, look? Look up at what?

        Rick Wiles had a fraud on his program two nights running. He then did some discovery and found out the guy lied about major aspects of his CV. Rick outed the man and warned off his audience w.r.t those two programs. Yet, here’s the million dollar question. What the man presented in his “revelations” from God, was maybe 90 percent right. Rick Wiles’ over-reach over reaction was to can this man’s whole performance based on the fraudulent CV presented to him. Yet the message contained very substantial affirmation of valid eschatology. In living memory I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better example of “baby out with the bath water”.

        Jesus commanded people to look at the signs. So you see when Noah “parted ships” it was forever. Noah himself was given 120 years warning; without knowing the day nor the hour. Then he was given 7 days warning without knowing the hour. Lot was given one single nights warning without knowing the hour, but then a very slight extension of time to flea the individual city.

        I could go on, but it would only be as an exercise in personal revision if I did.


      • Phillip, I believe we should “look up” when considering the end times. But I don’t believe that we should accept at face value the so-called prophecies of New Age wannabes who predict dates for the rapture or end of the world that don’t happen. The list of so-called prophets you seemingly channel have been proven wrong again and again. Renee Moses for example, has been predicting and “prophesising” the rapture over many years. She has been wrong, wrong,wrong

        Yep test all things. And know that some people who claim to hear voices from God are suffering from schizophrenia or are just totally misguided
        Don’t settle for second best. God does not lie. God does not give false prophecy. There is no “90 percent” right in God’s orbit.

        You do yourself and others a mis-service by proclaiming the false prophets. I’m praying for you.


      • You know it’s funny Mon, that an engineer can make a hundred mistakes and be remembered for the rest of his life for getting something right.
        No-one cares how many times the Wright brothers failed with their designs. The fabulous Smithonian Institute honours them for their final success. Then they were very rapidly overtaken – very rapidly surpassed. I’ve stood in the Smithsonian and looked up at the works of engineers remembered for their success. Not buried in obscurity because en-route to their reach for the stars they made mistakes.

        Jonah was one of the O.T. prophets in the sense that the Holy Spirit was not yet then poured out on all flesh. He was a set aside prophet called to take and deliver dictation from God _ yet there he was a great OT prophet who stood in God’s place as one of His set aside mouth pieces on earth and yet _ Jonah prophesied a calamity that didn’t come to pass. And why? Because God who sees the hearts of mere mortals discerned a genuine repentance in the city of Nineveh because of the miracle they beheld in their day. Now Nineveh has fallen to those who think Muhammad is a trust-worthy prophet and Christians are slaughtered with scarcely a word of protest from the pious comfortable Western Diversity lovers.

        Like Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream from God that he couldn’t work out, but it was from God? I imagine that it was a crystal clear, full sensation, smell touch, taste out of body type dream that people know is beyond normal human experience.
        How could God give something that a mere mortal couldn’t work out? How is that possible that something could be hidden from those wise in their own perceptions?

        I don’t think there is time to write a book, but I’d include the blood moons because there in Genesis God records a rational for heavenly lights/ astronomical calendars. It’s funny a genius by the name of Barry Setterfield, has noted a grand anomaly in astronomical time versus nuclear time. He should be a Nobel Prize laureate – but certain very real scientific anomalies are unfashionable at this time of writing. Barry’s notes on asteroid 67P virtually demonstrate the plasma model universe. the man’s a genius that only handfuls of people seem to know anything about.

        When Jesus rode into Jerusalem, died at Passover, rose on First Fruits wave offering, poured out he Holy Spirit at Pentecost, He was keeping astronomical time to the second. Yet who in Jerusalem had worked it out, in spite of their fallen flesh lives, before Jesus came and simply did it?
        When Jesus was born, only Anna the prophetess and Simeon, knew the time was right to behold the King of Kings: in all Jerusalem, two people knew the time was right.

        I am going to a bible study, the regular one, tonight, to try to convince a small group that Renee Moses has worked something out; a small but not insignificant thing that will be hidden to nearly everyone else alive. If I fail to convince them this night I might never set foot in that group again. If we were engineers we’d remember fallen humanity colleagues for their successes not try to burn them for their failures. In besieged Jerusalem starvation for actual food, meant people ate children – literally, not metaphorically! The OT references were real not metaphor for spiritual hunger.. As Christians we shouldn’t eat each other if food seems a little scant this season and people awaiting a place at the table can’t read the menu let alone decide on entree while merely queuing for a place at the table. When the time comes angels serve and get it all right.

        The blood moons are a witness – along with many many others. I doubt I know half of them, but am grateful for those I’ve been led to.


      • You’re comparing apples and oranges again Phil. As I said, no-one should accept at face value the so-called prophecies of New Age wannabes whose predictions are consistently wrong. God does not lie. God does not give false prophecy. There is no “90 percent” right in God’s orbit.


      • I would agree Bryan. Philip has made a religion out of the Apocalypse. It’s funny how every year there is a new date set for the rapture. Look people, we are all going to die, and there’s nothing we can do about it. ,i no longer have to accept taking the Bible out of context and make millions of dollars per book after each eclipse, war, or bad day.


      • A true Christian does not change his life in any way based on shonky predictions of the rapture. Perhaps we find it interesting to watch how things are happening exactly as God said they would, but to buy into every single web article stating it’s the end of times is flighty.


      • Very specifically the bible warns us not to despise prophesy. Subsequent to John the Revelator [circa 90 AD] would you care to give us the name of anyone who has been 100 percent accurate in the prophetic ministry of gifts of the Holy Spirit.. Just one name to affirm your conviction/ prove your point about eschatology and Jesus’ admonition to know the times. It surely isn’t that hard to demonstrate “100%” from a gifted one.


      • Very specifically the Bible states the the acid test for identifying a prophet of God yesterday and today and forever as recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God’s prophets, as distinct from Satan’s spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

        If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him” (Deut. 18:22).

        Now Phil, do you believe this is true or not? Simple question.


      • “…….as distinct from Satan’s spokesmen” ?

        I think it’s wrong to overgeneralize and label immature prophets like that Bryan. If they’ve been given a vision of the Second Heaven and not prayed through it and waited on the Lord for the full revelation, it doesn’t make them false prophets, it just makes them presumptuous. They don’t all prophesy through a spirit of divination like the New Agers do. But, of course, some prophesy through a spirit of Balaam, wanting recognition and fame. But not all prophets who get it wrong sometimes. Not fair!


      • Yes you’re right Mon. But some of the people Phil has put up as “prophets” do seem to be listening to voices other than God’s
        There are massive risks when someone has extreme delusional thinking
        And I still maintain that God does not deliver false prophecy.


      • Agreed, God is no liar. And yes, I too worry about Phillip. But I guess he’s yet to grow up in the things of God. Along the journey you learn to shift your gaze from the supernatural and instead, fix them firmly upon Christ; to learn to hear from God for yourself, rather than turning to this prophet and that. They’re there to help us, but never to replace the Bible or our own personal relationship with the Living Christ.

        I got caught up with YK2 prophecies. Never again!


      • shucks, Mon, you and Bryan are like Mom and Dad to me now, Bryan choppin wood chew’n tobbaci, and you bakin’ apple pie.

        Ps. Now that we sorted out Deuteronomy 18.22 which of the 613 Mosaic Laws are in your top one hundred to do list?

        4.2 in Nepal 16 minutes ago, following 4.0 mag 33 minutes ago. Which raises the interesting question; what do seismologists call it when the after-shock is bigger than the shock?


      • You didn’t answer my question Phil.
        If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him” (Deut. 18:22).

        Now Phil, do you believe this is true or not? Simple question.


    • Here is the answer:
      Fear God and Fear God alone.

      Prior to the Day of Pentecost YHWH could set aside a man like Jonah and dictate to him word for word message, biblical writ, listen or die. After John on the Island of Patmos completed his vision, Canon was sorted and no man can add to or take away. The bible is become the perfect unchangeable eternal yard stick for prophesy. Nothing can happen on earth that shall add to or detract from it. Thus, Fear God, not man.

      Having said that, Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead for lying to men of God; but that was God’s own judgement poured out. Peter the apostle was severally chastised by Paul. Paul was warned by prophets not to go up to Jerusalem – which means the prophets telling him not to go up were in disagreement with the prophesy he had in mind to fulfill.

      The words that fall on a man now in a meeting, a vision, dream, or word of knowledge can and should be tested. The man himself is not to be feared. Respected as an office bearer, but not feared, as God’s chosen ‘mouth-piece’.

      This is why Dom doesn’t understand any Christian here. He thinks we are operating under Moses/ Moshe.

      When “Rodney Howard Brown visited Bayside he heard me call out of the audience, a single, hallelujah, and said there’s some one here who just “got it”. His word was about God’s children, the church, criticizing each others and God’s workers – yet a drowning man doesn’t care who throws him a life buoy, how he was dressed or what protocol he followed to get the life buoy to him.

      I’ve heard there’s a report of Benny Hinn at a party with cocaine being passed around the room.
      Does that prevent Mr Hinn sharing a message by which a Filipino or Mexican might come to believe in the resurrection? It does not.

      If Rick Joyner is given a vision from God and completely misses the meaning, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t God who gave him the vision.

      I don’t fear men, or I shouldn’t. Yet it seems that there were times in Brother Branham’s meetings where an actually awesome presence fell on people. There are reports of people lying about their diseases and being struck down with those same things they lied about.

      Even in the OT times one had to be careful to distinguish between the Holy Spirit Himself and the vessel of a man he was using. The kingdom was ripped out of Saul’s hands because he mistook himself for God’s infallible anointed. This is a short answer but the question wasn’t a yes or no one word answer.

      No, you don’t “fear” a prophet who makes a mistake. But these days, one shares the Holy Spirit with every brother and sister in the Lord who has received Him. We don’t fear any man as Israel had to fear Moses’ appointment to lead them.

      This is the age of the Church. But we are in overtime, and the door to the ark is closing at midnight. I’ve listened to about one and a half hours of Renee Moses now. She hasn’t said “thus saith the LORD” once. She has nailed a bit of scripture I believe. Time will tell. I reckon she got something spot on. And that’s a blessing.


      • Scratch my initial comment about Ibogaine root. Would someone please give this man some Haloperidol!!!


      • Well Philip didn’t answer the direct question Mon.
        Whatever the case, whenever a person claims to be speaking for God ) the key is to compare what is said with what the Bible says.
        There are many false prophets who claim to have a special revelation from God and prophesy about things, people, and events that are to come. You see many on TV, on the Internet, who claim to be modern day prophets and yet deceive people for their own ends.
        Jesus said that in the last days, “many false prophets will appear and deceive many people” (Matt 24:11).


      • I totally agree with you Bryan. But I also see Phillip’s heart. It’s a good one. He doesn’t want to miss God. So many in the church miss the prophet’s reward because they despise the vessel or prophecy, or miss the Lord’s visitation. But having said that, I do think the church lacks discernment, and if Phillip thinks that being loyal to the likes of Renee Moses, with her abysmal track record, then he isn’t as intelligent as he thinks he is! 🙂

        Phillip, in my devout Catholic years, it was instilled in me that to have faith and believe was the greatest of virtues, even if our faith in, say for instance, a prophetic word, a man or woman of God, a Christian denomination/movement, the belief that the money we gave away was going to where we were told it was going; faith in the Pope, Saints, Virgin Mary etc., was later on proven to be misguided and false. Now how stupid is that! It’s saying that God approves of the gullible and mindless and will be a rewarder of those who choose not to think for themselves. Think Phillip!


      • Renee M or Renee Moses has shown herself to be a false prophet through her own words. The importance isn’t on judging her as a person, but on judging her fruit – which we ARE called to do.

        Renee Moses had this to say about the Rapture, which she first declared to be October 2/3 2012, then October 7/8 2012:

        “PLEASE, PLEASE hear me. This is the final call. This is not a rapture date guess. Even if you think it is, and are only hopeful that this might be it, please hear what I am saying for the sake of others who know you that might be left behind. You can always throw the papers away or delete it from your computer if nothing happens. But it will. I am not guessing. This was a revelation from the Lord.”

        This is precisely what identifies a false prophet: one who claims to have direct revelation from the Lord, and then is proven false. What confirms it is the fact that, rather than repent, Moses has continued making exactly the same false prophecies and false claims.

        This is why the Bible calls for such black-and-white treatment of false prophets – because the flow-on effect is vast. The church is harmed, the followers of that person are harmed, and many are disillusioned and fall away because of the failure of false prophecies.

        This isn’t a question of judgement; I am not being judgemental here. I am, however, testing the spirits and finding Renee Moses’ ministry lacking. She is not a representative of the Lord, and to allow her voice to continue to be heard in forums like this one only allows the damage she’s doing to continue.


      • Carmel, this is a copy of a text I sent to someone about an hour ago.
        The abomination of desolation is the failure to kneel. The Third Temple was Jesus’ body. The covenant with many was the Nobel Peace Prize. 1260 days later he stood there stupid.

        [In my lifetime I’ve only ever gotten up and walked out on two speakers. One was Maharaji when he spoke at Melboune’s festival hall. The other was a Seventh Day Adventist invitation circuit preacher who started to speak against the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
        To this day my habit is simply to let people finish speaking and then test their words. If there is material I don’t understand I put it in the “too hard for now” file at the back of my brain. Other wise I wait an see. It wouldn’t matter if Benny were a crack cocaine dealer to me – if some people are getting saved at his meetings – that’s good enough to accept his right to speak]


      • There is a big difference between “waiting on the Lord” and waiting in vain Philip.
        I don’t particularly like Benny Hinn’s style and all that gold jewellery and selective healing (leaving the “worst” cases in wheelchairs outside the hall) seems quite odd to me but I agree he may be doing some good. But that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
        I recall as a young Christian getting right into Hal Lindsay’s Late Great Planet Earth book and thinking everything I saw was a sign of the impending apocalypse. But I grew out of it when I realised it was perhaps well-intentioned but fear mongering nevertheless.
        The same with other so-called prophets I’ve come across. Some, like Renee Moses, are clearly misguided (to put the most positive spin on it) or worse. She is not worth your time or admiration. We need to discern, as the Bible states.. That does take some experience and growing up.


      • Has anyone else noticed that Renee Moses never proclaims Jesus in her videos?


      • There is definitely going to be a third temple. It will most likely be erected at the beginning of the Tribulation in the form of a tent temple, like the Tabernacle of Moses. A more permanent structure will then be built around and above it. The Antichrist will desecrate this temple in the middle of the Tribulation.

        The Third Temple will be destroyed at the Second Coming of Jesus.


      • Some may be interested in this article. It takes scripture very literally.

        “I want to remind you of something — all truth must come from scripture! Instead of superimposing a meaning on the biblical text, we must seek to discover the author’s intended meaning (the only true meaning). One must recognize that what a passage means is fixed by the author and is not subject to alteration by readers. Meaning is determined by the author; it is discovered by readers. Our goal must be exegesis (drawing the meaning out of the text) and not eisogesis (superimposing a meaning onto the text). We, as believers, need to hold a belief, a paradigm if you will; we need a model or map to check out the things which we hear. But if your paradigm conflicts with the Scripture you need to modify your belief, not the Scripture. Do you agree with that?”


        Matthew 16:27-28 is just one of the many numerous passages that reveal when the “second coming” of Christ was to take place.


      • ….and once again, and as usual, Strewth breathes some much needed SANITY into an overheated topic!
        Thanks Strewth. 🙂


      • Keith up until just one week ago I would have agreed with you. But Jesus himself says in three days he would raise it? He is the temple. The third tabernacle on earth for the Holy Spirit to dwell in. When Jesus was born the ark of the covenant for the Temple/Tabernacle was missing. The temple Solomon’s rebuilt/ Herod’s temple, was already dysfunctional. the Jews could not keep the law of Moses even if they desired nothing more than to do all of it to the very letter. The Ark simply wasn’t in situe.

        From an angel’s point of view what is the most stupid thing a human can do on planet earth. An: Fail to acknowledge Jesus/ metaphorically or literally if given the chance, kneel before the temple of his being [when given the chance]. And today is everybody’s chance – maybe their last.

        The only men in the entire bible outside of Solomon who are recorded as wise were men who knew when Jesus was to be born and knelt before the child, the eternal king of kings. The wise men knelt.
        A church was built over the place where Jesus is thought to have landed on Earth in the fashion of born of the chosen women actual history. Daily sacrifices, the common communion, the wine and blood, bread and flesh, memorial were offered at the site for hundreds of years, until philistinian militia men fled there and desecrated that Holy space – causing the daily sacrifices to cease. the year was 2002.
        then again the daily sacrifice was ceased to admit the USA president “who stood in the very place a man should kneel” Is his army islam? the question is rhetorical.

        I say again, what in the sight of angels is the most foolish thing a human being on planet earth can do? What defiles and desecrates a consecrated holy space more than a failure to acknowledge the reason for the consecration. If you don’t intend to worship don’t go there! Full stop end of story,

        It happened before men’s very eyes. Thanks God for sister Moses.
        Something amazing happened and people now ask “is this the one who deceived the whole world”? That very question is prophesy lived out.

        It’s stunning. Moreover a book is written, an exposition of scripture for whom. The left behind. Those too proud to acknowledge the facts, in the appointed hour of their visitation.


      • “SANITY”? That’s debatable. For a start, ‘ecclesia org’ do not believe in the Trinity—it’s not mentioned in the Bible, so they say, therefore it is false. And, we shouldn’t call ourselves Christians, because, they say, it’s not mentioned in the Bible. And, we shouldn’t be going to church, because that’s not in the Bible either, according to them. And, blah, blah, blah…….

        “David Curtis wrote:
        Was Christ Physically Resurrected?

        1. Yes! Absolutely, without a doubt. Since Christ’s resurrection was physical, won’t ours be? No!

        2.Christ’s actual resurrection was His going to Hades and coming back out. When he was resurrected from Hades, He was raised into his original body, which was transformed into His heavenly form.

        Curtis’ Errors
        1. The Jews, including Jesus and the Apostles, believed in a physical resurrection of the body. Curtis doesn’t.

        2a. Curtis invents his own ideas of what happened after the one event of Jesus’ resurrection. He redefined the resurrection of Jesus by making up two stages of this one event:
        2b. Error, Stage One: Jesus’ original body was raised. Curtis would have been correct if he had stopped at that and left it at that. However, he didn’t.
        2c. Error, Stage Two: Curtis invents a post-resurrection “transformation” of Jesus’ original physical body “into His heavenly form.” This is gnostic doctrine. But Curtis has his own special twist on it.

        2d. The gnostics believed that, when Christ lived during his ministry, his physical body wasn’t real: it only “appeared in form” to be real since pure spirit cannot inhabit anything in the corrupted material world. Curtis does a switch on this gnostic theme in saying Jesus’ original body was, at first, a real, regular human body like ours. Apparently, Curtis maintains that Jesus had a regular real body like ours till some time after Jesus came back to life.

        2e. Curtis doesn’t say when this alleged switch from Jesus’ {real} original body “into His heavenly form” happened. He says Jesus was “raised into His original body” first; and this supposed switch happened after Jesus came back into it. Here Curtis develops his quasi-gnostic ideas further. We now have several separate “existences” of Jesus according to Curtis:
        1) Jesus in his regular body when he lived.
        2) “…His going to Hades and coming back out” into his original body.
        Curtis separates Jesus’ dead body from whatever “form of existence” Curtis thinks Jesus had when he was dead. He mentions Jesus going into Hades but doesn’t say anything about Jesus’ ontology {the nature of existence or being} while there.
        3) After coming back to life from being in Hades “into His original body” — which is the doctrine of resurrection, if left at that — Curtis adds a NON-BIBLICAL post-resurrection event of the transformation of that same resurrected body of Jesus “into His heavenly form.” This is quasi-gnostic doctrine at minimum, if not just plain gnostic….

        Jesus wasn’t “transformed” into anything or anyone else after he was raised.


        The scriptures teach the one-stage-event of the resurrection of dead body of Christ. His real human body was raised by, in, and through, the Holy Spirit. His real body was animated back to life from the dead by the Spirit of God. This happened at the one singular instant Jesus lived again.

        The scriptures teach we will be raised just like Jesus was: our dead bodies will come back to life by, in, and through, the Holy Spirit. Like Jesus, we will have this same Spirit of God life-source in our resurrected life.

        So, how many errors did Curtis make in the seven sentences I quoted, above?
        Eight, nine, ten? At least seven. That’s one per sentence.

        To go into the rest of his many, many, mistakes would take a long time….
        But I’ll leave it at that.

        Just because people like Curtis quote scriptures…I’m sure you know that doesn’t necessarily mean much. Reading guys like Curtis might be interesting in terms of finding out others’ opinions and so on. But, as I’ve demonstrated above, opinions can be so far off base that if one isn’t really careful, one can be lead down a long trail of error on top of error. David Curtis is off base to begin with in his basic assumptions: He trails off from there….

        Enough said”……..Rick’s comment on ‘theos.org’ forum


      • YAAWN! That is, of course, according to your own interpretation. And, of course, you will again state that lots of people agree with your interpretation, as if that makes it any more correct. The fact is that many, many more people don’t agree with your interpretation – that would be the ones, me included, presumably waiting to be thrown into ‘Hellfire’ because we think all of this prophecy is just a load of superstitious Earthbound CRUD. In the mean time there are those of us that try to lead a decent and honest life, treat people with love and respect and generally seek to do the next right thing in whatever different(often confusing) situations, not through fear of consequence, but because it feels right. It’s called living for today, you might want to try it sometime – remarkably liberating.


      • According to Hal Lindsey, the Third Temple could be built right next to the Dome of the Rock.[ He believes, based on the theory of Dr. Asher Kaufman regarding the location of the Eastern Gate, that the Dome of the Rock was built on what the Bible refers to as the Court of the Gentiles. He states that according to Revelation 11:1–2, the rebuilding of the Third Temple was not to include the section of the temple mount known as The Court of the Gentiles. Therefore, he believes that the Third Temple and the Dome of the Rock could stand side by side.


      • Keith,
        Robert Cornuke, former police officer, has written a book “The temple”.
        I think he’s right about the fortress of Antonia. Its one of only three books I got to the end of these last two years. Worth one’s time to get to finish the very final chapter.
        Ken Klein’s, Jerusalem documentary, deals with much of the same material :-
        partly because of those two witnesses/ testimonies, I think I was 100 percent wrong about the rebuilding of the temple.

        I spent $850 to reserve a domain name “rebuildzion.org” because of those two men’s work.

        Suggest you very quickly review them.


      • Bob Cornuke describes himself as a Biblical archaeologist, but has no degree or training in archaeology.
        His critics believe he is more interested in the money to be gained from his claims than in providing genuine evidence for anything

        I suggest you follow these links

        Bob Cornuke Theory Disputed





      • Let’s say you’re right Keith. Eagle eyes will be right onto the rebuilding of the Temple next to the Dome of the Rock and when the daily sacrifice is re-instituted the Abomination that causes desolation will cause the sacrifices to cease and declare himself god; what could be easier than spotting something as subtle as that?
        Why might Jesus have said, let the reader beware? Do you think this Abomination will convince a lot of Christians that he is god?
        Why would Jesus have said “let the reader take note / the reader beware”?

        An anti Christ declaring himself God in a rebuilt temple on the Temple Mount would be as subtle as a Molotov cocktail thrown through a stain glass window!

        Now, Bryan might dispute this but when Jesus walked around the Temple the Ark of the Covenant had been missing for hundreds of years.

        If one hundred percent of the priesthood wanted desperately to keep 100 percent of the law they wouldn’t have been able to without the Mercy Seat to sprinkle blood on.

        Jesus is the third Temple and We are lively stones and the daily sacrifice is the cup of communion, bread of life, offered by someone somewhere every day of the week, to His glory in remembrance of Him, now and forever

        Fascinating how quickly you convinced yourself you have the right temple mount. Fascinating indeed..


      • The third temple is not Jesus.
        Israeli Minister of Housing and Construction, Uri Ariel, of the “Jewish Home” fundamentalist party, a senior member of Israel’s settler-led government, last year called for the “rebuilding” of what he calls the “Third Temple”, to replace al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, Al Ray Palestinian News Agency has reported.

        “The first Temple was destroyed in 586 BCE, the second Temple in 70 CE, and ever since the Jews have been mourning its loss,” he claims. “Now that Israel has once again become a Jewish sovereign state, there have been occasional calls to rebuild the Temple,” he added.

        Al-Aqsa Mosque (i.e. the Farthest Mosque) is considered to be the third-holiest site in Islam and bears the oldest name for the compound of Islamic religious buildings in Jerusalem, which includes al-Aqsa congregation mosque and the Dome of the Rock.

        The term Al-Aqsa Mosque was first coined in the Quran: Al-Aqsa Mosque is sacred because it is the first of the two Qiblas. In Islamic tradition, Al-Aqsa is said to be the second Masjid. The mosque is also the third of the two holy Sanctuaries.

        It is worth noting that pro-Israeli advocates have gone so far as to suggest bombing the mosque, to Christians, in order to see a third temple built in conjunction with biblical prophecy.


      • thanks Raymond, I hear what people are saying – at least many of them for there are very very many voices:
        So when did Mount Moriah become Mount Zion? Names don’t change so easily unless there was a deliberate effort to destroy all evidence of a Mount Zion, to pull down every single stone and to use the very hill or ridge itself as back fill for some other location, like any of the remaining symbols of Roman power for a legion of 5000 to 6000 soldiers.
        Which would you worship on?

        When will Mount Zion be raised up to be the highest? Isaiah: In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains;

        yet there in:: Micah 3:12.
        Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

        So when was the current so called temple mount a heap plowed like a field? Can you really imagine the so called temple mount being plowed?

        These are observations that can be made directly from a bible.

        The location for the spring of Gihon? Surely a spring hasn’t been moved./ changed location.

        Of course Robert Cornuke and Ken Klein have just been building on the case made by Ernest Martin.

        Things are most controversial and violently resisted oft times just before they are universally accepted as self evident facts.


      • You are correct Raymond. The third temple is not Jesus. Jesus clearly told His disciples the 2nd Temple would be destroyed, but He never talked about a Third Temple being constructed or even needed.
        Evidently the Third Temple has a limited life time and use towards the close of the present age. Probably it will be destroyed in the “great earthquake” which is described by Ezekiel and in the Revelation as shaking Jerusalem just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ. No one knows whether the Third Temple will be built before of after what Christians call “the rapture of the true church.”


      • There are people that do nothing else in their lives but obsess over prophetic passages and the meaning of the latest world event in relation to some Old Testament passage that they dig up. That seems to be their whole mission in life. Even those who believe God called them to teach Bible prophecy have to be careful about not reading their own conjecture into scripture.

        I think I can make a fairly educated guess that over ninety percent of those teaching Bible prophecy on the Internet have so much wrong that they are wasting their own lives teaching it and it is misleading people that are reading it. I do not think Jesus is going to say “well done good and faithful servant” to those that spend their whole lives misleading people even if they do so with good intentions


      • But you, Lord, sit enthroned forever;
        your renown endures through all generations.
        You will arise and have compassion on Zion,
        for it is time to show favor to her;
        the appointed time has come.
        For her stones are dear to your servants;
        her very dust moves them to pity.
        The nations will fear the name of the Lord,
        all the kings of the earth will revere your glory.
        For the Lord will rebuild Zion
        and appear in his glory.
        He will respond to the prayer of the destitute;
        he will not despise their plea.
        Let this be written for a future generation,
        that a people not yet created may praise the Lord:

        Isaac [Yitzhak?], was Psalm 102 written for you? Jerusalem has been surveyed. Is right now the time for a destitute despised church to ask Jesus to rebuild Zion. Do you remember the felled stones, the very dust of Zion?
        If all the nations shall come up to Zion, is now the time to put a mountain where Simon the Hazmonean razed a mountain? Just asking.

        Can you imagine a greater miracle than Zion being built in the name of the LORD, a throne for Jesus Christ. A small mountain built for a King.?

        Who are the future generation? just a question.


      • Yes Isaac it is a sad obsession that governs the thoughts of some immature Christians..


      • Sometimes disaster predictions come true. They have to. War, earthquake, and famine happen fairly regularly on this bleak and threatening earth. So even if you toss dice to see when the world will end, your toss will sometimes be on target. That lucky toss of the dice happened to a would-be 19th century prophet from Pittsburgh, a preacher named Charles Taze Russell, who predicted that collapse and disaster would arrive before 1910 and culminate in 1914. In a sense, Russell was right. In 1914, Europe entered the very first World War, the very first industrial war to engulf the globe. That war killed an unprecedented 40 million. And in the view of many historians, that war-the War to End All Wars-wiped out the old European views of the world and ushered in a very new weltanschauung. But there was a snag. A big one. Catastrophe did not usher in the rule of Christ that Russell had predicted. This central glitch, however, didn’t stop Russell’s millennial belief system, his predictions of imminent catastrophe. Today his followers are called Jehovah’s Witnesses. And there are seventeen million of them. And perhaps one on this blog.


    • Barry, while I’ve been watching a old movie tonight with my family, called Titanic A Night to Remember there has been an 8.5 off Japan. Statistics on quakes are simply maths. Escalation cannot be argued with. Dates about Israel returning from diaspora cannot be argued with
      When the Titanic went down there were sermons all over the Western World about the hubris and self confidence of mortal man. Soon after the Titanic the Great War to end all Wars certainly changed the West forever. Confidence in Western civilization was shattered. And rightly so, for everything the West ever was and ever will be is it’s relationship to the Eternal Gospel. Hence the Prophet Rudyard Kipling wrote Lest We Forget, the prescient refrain from Recessional.
      With rubber on the road decision making I’ve put money where my mouth is believing we are a final generation under the old order of Man at the threshold of the Millenia,
      The quake off Japan has been too recent in real time for wire services to respond with Tsunami reporting. cheers, And God bless you. I don’t think any JW’s have posted here in a longish time? maybe not?
      Of course I could be wrong. I’d prefer people to be able to argue my misreading of the papers and Bilble with simply bible repartee/ refutations.


      • The Bible has answered your silly claims PG. You haven’t responded to any of those who have posted the Bible to prove you are wrong. BTW the off Japan quake wasn’t that big and it didn’t start a tsunami. Wrong again.


      • My instruction in Protestant religion said that God’s revelation to man closed with the coming of Jesus, we cannot have present day prophets who have had divine visions, only foreseers whose knowledge and experience lead them to conclusions.

        That teaching also was said re the bible that ‘nothing was to be added, nothing taken away,’ that the Roman Catholic church erred in adding tradition. Looking for the source of this it seems to apply more accurately to Revelations and Deuteronomy.

        How much are you willing to support bible inerrancy? Yes, some here believe it all except this or that. I am not against that, let the bible speak to you, in what passages specifically mean to you. Personally there is much I believe and much I doubt. I am not advocating Preterism, though I’m willing to keep it in mind. But once you concede any disbelief, surely you must concede possibility of more.

        Even if the whole bible were discredited, God still exists, and Jesus remains as always, second physical coming or not.


      • Graeme, is English a second language for you?

        “……who have posted the Bible to prove you are wrong……..”

        Well logic suggests that if it were proven, as in quod erat demontrollum [QED] with mathematical certainty, there can be no reply – other than a polite thankyou, so thankyou.

        Ergo, if you are satisfied with the proofs you have received as certainties, why on earth would you want any sort of a ‘reply’.


      • P.G., there is no need to be ashamed to mention what church you belong to . Very few of us here are coming from the same perspective as each other, and anyway you are anonymous here. To understand your background would help us understand the points you’re trying to make


      • Strewth, I kind of think of it as being off topic [OT]. For a few years I was answering that question with ” I never leave church – I am the church “. While it is true it’s also evasive. another cute response is, “I go everywhere I’m invited”. And that’s true also. Recently went to an episcopal/ Anglican men’s bible study/ prayer group meeting. Was at an Anglican church for Passover, have been to a Baptist Church a half dozen times in last 12 months, one Jehovah’s Witness funeral, At the moment I go to an Apostolic Bible study, am reading books from Messianic Jews, listening to tapes and sermons from four or five different ministries. I went to the underground church in Saudi Arabia; and believe the Christian church is again on the verge of being ‘underground’ – gay and diversity secular preachers are actively hunting Christians in various places with law-fare guerilla tactics. I’m not saying this to be funny. The war on Christianity is real with lots of useful idiots trying to please ‘everyone’ and helping no-one.

        At the end of the day, we are to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. with our whole heart soul and all that is within us. It’s intellectual and emotional commitment to the truth, whole truth and nothing but the Truth.

        there is solid science to eschatology – which should be sobering to anyone with the good sense to remove their hands from a fire.


      • The very nature of a semi public blog is public auditing Dom,
        ad hominem is not an argument.
        What specific to the above do you wish to specifically criticize.

        call me a non denominationsl pentecostal evangelical protestant freelance thinker


  2. Good call Brian. I remember when I first became a Christian about 45 years ago and the church I was with at the time believed we were at the beginning of the last 7 years. I wasn’t ready for that as I was just getting started. Ha. You also forgot one of the favorites for the Anti Christ academy awards, The Pope. Good post, insightful and good advice for us all to remain calm and let God work out in his good time. Love your blog.


  3. To me, the worst thing is that some people are actively working to bring about the Apocalypse, can’t wait for their just reward. That is hardly being obedient to God, or submitting to His will.

    I personally know people eager for the Second Coming, and feel sure there are others who would also welcome Armageddon. There has even been a recent tv series on the theme – ‘Dig’

    “It’s all about the End of Days, the Second Coming, Armageddon, the Rapture,” Debbie (Lauren Ambrose) says in what is the clearest explanation by any character of what is going on in “Dig” to date. “In order to bring about the Second Coming, the Temple in Jerusalem needs to be rebuilt.”


  4. If people are so keen on the inerrancy of scripture, and particularly the words of Jesus, why don’t they believe he did return in the lifetime of his disciples?

    Perhaps ‘He came, and you knew him not.’

    John I, 10-11 comes to mind.
    [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not.
    [11] He came to his own home, and his own people received him not.

    One clergyman says “We all know that Jesus is as alive and active in our world as you and I and all his other friends and followers make him. For that to happen, we must first bring him to birth in our own hearts. Live, Jesus, in our hearts forever!”


    • Or perhaps the people were looking for a king that would give them social justice and freedom from their national enemies, instead of freedom from the slavery of sin.


  5. It started like this-
    Past predictions
    Date (CE) Claimant Description Reference(s)
    66–70 CE Simon bar Giora, Essenes The Essene sect of Jewish ascetics saw the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66–70 as the final end-time battle. By the authority of Simon, coins were minted declaring the redemption of Zion. [1][2][3]
    365 CE Hilary of Poitiers Announced that the end would happen that year. [4]:30
    375–400 CE Martin of Tours Stated that the world would end before 400, writing, “There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power.” [5][6]:119
    500 CE Hippolytus of Rome, Sextus Julius Africanus, Irenaeus All three predicted Jesus would return in the year 500. One prediction was based on the dimensions of Noah’s ark. [4]:31[7]:35
    793 Apr 6 Beatus of Liébana The Spanish monk prophesied the second coming of Christ and the end of the world on that day to a crowd of people. [4]:31
    800 Sextus Julius Africanus Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Doomsday to 800. [8]:37
    799–806 Gregory of Tours Calculated the End occurring between 799 and 806. [9]:48
    848 Thiota Declared that the world would end during that year. [6]:337
    992–995 Various Christians Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times, within 3 years. [10]:236
    1000 Jan 1 Pope Sylvester II The Millennium Apocalypse at the end of the Christian Millennium. Various Christian clerics predicted the end of the world on this date, including Pope Sylvester II. Riots occurred in Europe and pilgrims headed east to Jerusalem. [4]:32[7]:35–36


    • Continued similarly for another 1000 years, until

      2000 Jan 1 Various Predictions of a Y2K computer bug that would crash many computers and cause malfunctions leading to major catastrophes worldwide, and that society would cease to function. Year 2000 problem
      Credonia Mwerinde, Joseph Kibweteere An estimated 778 followers of this Ugandan religious movement perished in a devastating fire and a series of poisonings and killings that were either a group suicide or an orchestrated mass murder by group leaders after their predictions of the apocalypse failed to come about. [71][72]:21
      Jerry Falwell Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day. [73]
      Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins These Christian authors stated that the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached, however, they changed their minds. [74]
      2000, April 6 James Harmston The leader of the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day. [12]:2496
      2000 May 5 Nuwaubian Nation This movement claimed that the planetary lineup would cause a “star holocaust,” pulling the planets toward the sun on this day. [46]:121
      2000 Peter Olivi This 13th-century theologian wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around 2000. [9]:54
      Isaac Newton Newton predicted that Christ’s Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John. [19]:96
      Ruth Montgomery This self-described Christian psychic predicted the Earth’s axis would shift and the Antichrist would reveal himself in this year. [8]:156, 195
      Edgar Cayce This psychic predicted the Second Coming would occur this year. [75]
      Sun Myung Moon The founder of the Unification Church predicted the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year. [8]:148
      Ed Dobson This pastor predicted the end would occur in his book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000. [76]
      Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in his book I Predict 2000. [6]:99, 341
      Jonathan Edwards This 18th-century preacher predicted that Christ’s thousand-year reign would begin in this year. [9]:171
      2001 Tynnetta Muhammad This columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year. [9]:213
      2002 Various Yoruba Yoruba priests predicted dramatic tragedy and crisis in 2002, including coups, war, disease, and flooding. [7]:45
      2003 May Nancy Lieder Lieder originally predicted the date for the Nibiru collision as May 2003. According to her website, aliens in the Zeta Reticuli star system told her through messages via a brain implant of a planet which would enter our solar system and cause a pole shift on earth that would destroy most of humanity. [77]
      2003 Nov 29 Aum Shinrikyo This Japanese cult predicted the world would be destroyed by a nuclear war between October 30 and November 29, 2003. [46]:98
      2006 Sep 12 House of Yahweh Yisrayl Hawkins, Pastor and Overseer, The House of Yahweh, Abilene, Texas in the Feb. 2006 newsletter predicted the start of nuclear war on September 12, 2006. [78]
      2007 Apr 29 Pat Robertson In his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth’s destruction. [6]:138
      2010 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn This order predicted the world would end in this year. [41]:223
      2011 May 21 Harold Camping Camping predicted that the Rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world’s population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21. 2011 end times prediction
      2011 Sep 29 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. After his prophecy failed to come true he changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012. [79][80][81]
      2011 Oct 21 Harold Camping When his original date failed to come about, Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a “Spiritual Judgment” took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011. 2011 end times prediction
      2011 Aug–Oct Various There were fears amongst the public that Comet Elenin travelling almost directly between Earth and the Sun would cause disturbances to the Earth’s crust, causing massive earthquakes and tidal waves. Others predicted that Elenin would collide with Earth on October 16. Scientists tried to calm fears by stating that none of these events were possible. [82]
      2012 May 27 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated that Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day. [83]
      2012 Jun 30 José Luis de Jesús José Luis de Jesús predicted that the world’s governments and economies would fail on this day, and that he and his followers would undergo a transformation that would allow them to fly and walk through walls. [84][85]
      2012 Dec 21 Various The so-called Mayan apocalypse at the end of the 13th b’ak’tun. The Earth would be destroyed by an asteroid, Nibiru, or some other interplanetary object; an alien invasion; or a supernova. Mayanist scholars stated that no extant classic Maya accounts forecast impending doom, and that the idea that the Long Count calendar ends in 2012 misrepresented Maya history and culture.[86][87][88] Scientists from NASA, along with expert archeologists, stated that none of those events were possible. 2012 phenomenon
      2013 Aug 23 Grigori Rasputin Rasputin prophesied a storm where fire would eat all life on land and Jesus Christ would come back to Earth to comfort those in distress.


  6. Here is another prophecy that is ignored.

    Jesus said that the end will not come before the gospel has been preached to all the world (Mat. 24:14)
    And apostle Peter said that we are to hasten the second coming (2 Pet. 3:12)

    We want social justice? Perhaps if we as Christians spent more time preaching the gospel and everything that it implies, the second coming of Jesus would have arrived a long time ago and the world would have had the social justice it needs, instead of constantly harping upon social justice from the pulpit and forgetting about the gospel

    As Jesus said:
    “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you”.


    • Jesus commands Christians to be involved in social justice davinci.

      Matthew 25
      For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37″Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?…


  7. Jesus was born into a world in which many Jews were expecting an apocalypse. . It is natural that he and his disciples accepted the common beliefs, and that Jesus was placed in the apocalyptic scenario. This was enlarged upon by early Christians, but dismissed by Jews. Even today, we read of Christian Zionists –

    “Our group also traveled to Meggido, located about an hour’s drive north of Tel Aviv.

    “As we left the bus, I walked alongside Clyde, the retired business executive. As we looked out over the valley, Clyde exclaimed: “At last! I am viewing the site of Armageddon.”

    “We continued to gaze at fields — that in size would be lost in any Texas ranch — and Clyde talked of a 200-million-man army that would invade Israel: “Right here!” he said. And a great decisive battle would ensue that would involve all the armies of the Earth. This battle, involving nuclear weapons, would kill most of the inhabitants of this Earth.

    “A couple years passed, and I received a colored brochure of a Falwell- sponsored trip. Like the first brochure, it was printed in Israel. In this brochure, Falwell did not once mention that we would be traveling to the Land of Christ. Nor, for that matter, did he once mention the name of Christ.

    “Once we arrived, we had no Christian guide — to any site where Christ was born, died or had his ministry. There was not a single planned visit to a Christian church — or a plan to meet any of the Christians living there, whose forebears have lived in Palestine since the days of Christ.

    “We had only Israeli guides, and the focus clearly was on military aspects. The Israeli guides gave us endless explanations of why the Israelis should keep all the land of historic Palestine, leaving nothing for the Palestinians.

    “Once we were on a bus tour, and I thought surely we would stop in Nazareth. “No” said an Israeli guide. The bus would not stop in Nazareth. No one contested the guide’s decision.”



    • From the same source.
      “In closing, I want to mention a trip I made to Basel, Switzerland. I attended the first Christian Zionist Congress. I was one of 589 persons from 27 countries attending this Congress.

      “It was held in the same hall where Theodor Herzl had called the first Jewish Zionist Congress, about 100 years ago. Herzl had stressed that Jews were different and should live exclusively among Jews. Christian Zionists say the same. This conference was supported by the Israelis.

      “I listened to speakers who were Jewish Zionists as well as Christian Zionists. Rather than provide hope by suggesting steps whereby Jews and Arabs might reach reconciliation, and live together, in peace, each speaker seemed to reinforce the fears of the other. Rather than stress how much Arabs and Jews — and indeed all human beings — have in common, speakers told us: Jews are different. They must live exclusively among Jews.

      “Christian Zionists believe that God has ordained that the Jews control the land of Palestine, and that they control Jerusalem, and build a temple, and that they reinstate animal sacrifice.

      “The Christian Zionists approve every military action taken by the Jewish Zionists. If Israel bombs Iraq, as it has done, or invades Lebanon, as it has done, or shoots and kills Palestinian children, as it has done, then Christian Zionists will say: “Well, that is a Chosen Land and a Chosen People. All of that is orchestrated by God.”

      “Although our aid to Israel is more than we give to many countries, including all India, Africa, and South America, Christian Zionists will support these billions of your taxpayer dollars going to Israel, because of their interpretation that God wants that land as the landing base for the Second Coming of Christ. It is the LAND for which they care. They want it there, in place, so that the rest of their scenario, including their Rapture, can come to pass.

      “Somehow, in all the sermons of Jerry Falwell and other Christian Zionists, I miss their telling us about the Sermon on the Mount. And I miss these militant Christians reminding us that Christ possessed a way that was NOT based on military strength.

      “His way was not to steal property and kill people for the sake of a temporary political kingdom on Earth. Rather, as we know, Christ came to advance and enhance life. He came not to speak and support a cult of land. But he came to speak for the suffering, the destitute, the oppressed.

      “Indeed, He has a Chosen People. We are all chosen to do good, not evil. Chosen to seek and to work for peace, in the Middle East and in the world. “



        Many today look around at the rising threat of radical Islam and the weak Western response and wonder if we are repeating the costly mistakes of a bygone era.

        No doubt we live in perilous times. The clever mass murderers of al-Qaeda have now morphed into the sadistic executioners of Islamic State. Iran is exporting its own fierce brand of Islamic militancy, destabilizing and devouring nations across the Middle East, while building a renegade nuclear weapons program to further its expansionist agenda. Each of these radical Islamist movements see themselves as the vanguard of that final jihadist surge which will ultimately destroy Israel, spread throughout the world, and subjugate humanity to a foretold “golden age” of Islamic rule. Meanwhile, many Western leaders are pressuring the small democratic nation of Israel to sacrifice the heart of its ancient homeland to secure an illusionary peace, and pacify these ravenous beasts.

        So is it really 1938 again? Are we seeing an appeasement of great evil like Neville Chamberlain did in Munich?

        The comparison is not without its merits. In September 1938, the British prime minister was negotiating with Adolf Hitler in hopes of stemming the threat of Nazism and buying “Peace for our Time!” The price was a strip of land along Germany’s border with the small democratic Czech Republic. In Prague, an emergency session of the Czech cabinet sat helplessly for hours awaiting word from Munich, with absolutely no say in their own nation’s fate. In the end Hitler’s appetite for conquest was whetted, not abated. And Chamberlain’s diplomatic mission became an infamous symbol of failed statesmanship.

        But lest we pan the British premier too much, we should recall that this was an entire era of failed statesmanship, as Western leaders made decision after decision which signaled to the Nazis that the resistance against them was feeble.

        Just two months before Munich, representatives from 32 nations gathered at the Evian conference to consider taking in more endangered Jews from Germany. Hitler openly mocked the gathering’s “deep sympathy for these criminals.” Yet the Dominican Republic stood alone as the only country present that was willing to accept a large number of Jewish refugees. Nazi observers at the conference reported back to Hitler: “You can do what you like with the Jews, nobody is interested in them.”

        The next summer saw the tragic voyage of the St. Louis, a ship packed with 900 German Jewish children who could see the lights of Miami off the bow before being turned away by the Roosevelt administration, only to be returned to the sinking continent of Europe.

        That same year of 1939, Britain issued the shameful White Paper strictly limiting the number of Jewish refugees who could enter mandatory Palestine – a decision that consigned millions of Jews to the Nazi gas chambers.

        Then there was that one dark night in November 1938, when the world stood by as the Nazis arrested over 30,000 Jews and burned more than one thousand synagogues on Kristallnacht. By morning the Sudetenland – surrendered to Hitler at Munich just five weeks earlier – had become the first territory in the Nazi grasp to be made judenrein.The Holocaust had begun!

        So it was an entire era of failed statesmanship, not just by one but by many world leaders, who misjudged character and misread intentions with catastrophic results. And the reason this collective failure befell the community of nations is because it was an era of great seductions and deceptions on a global scale. Like a two-edged sword, men were fooled by others, but they also fooled themselves.

        The German people were seduced by a mesmerizing figure who promised to restore Germany’s tattered fortunes, but instead brought the nation to ruin.

        Chamberlain seduced himself into thinking Munich was about one small strip of border land, when in fact the whole expanse of Europe was at stake.

        At Evian, an American president coolly calculated that 30,000 Jewish immigrants per year was enough, completely oblivious that 55 million souls of all races and creeds would soon perish in the ensuing deluge of war.

        An entire world seduced itself into believing that Hitler was merely venting in Mein Kampf, when in fact he meant every word.

        All these missteps helped trigger an unprecedented global conflict which ended seven years later with the unimaginable sight of mushroom clouds rising over incinerated Japanese cities.

        So we have to be grateful for a leader of sober thinking and steel resolve like Winston Churchill, who rose up just in time to begin confronting the Nazi threat for what it truly was; shudder the thought that Hitler had gotten to the Bomb first.

        Such alert, tenacious statesmanship is sorely needed again today, as the seductions in operation in our time are even more sinister and deceptive. Indeed, the Bible clearly warns of seducing spirits in the last days, such as Paul’s admonition: “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come… evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:1, 13).

        And in a nuclear age, the margin of error for misjudging character and misreading intentions is dreadfully more razor thin.

        One powerful deception today sees Israel’s surrender of the West Bank as a small sacrifice for the sake of peace in our time, when in fact it would only whet the appetite of global jihad.

        Another reason is that mankind has not used atomic weapons against each other for the last 70 years now, enticing us to let down our guard. The film footage from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with all those nuclear tests on Bikini Atoll are so old and grainy, they date back to well before the digital age. Likewise, the “experts” lull us to sleep by explaining that Iran – as with North Korea – launched its nuclear program merely as a guarantee against regime change, when its’ true purpose is a frightening instrument of Islamic conquest.

        All the while the P5+1 nations are quibbling with Tehran over the inspection of centrifuges, when their real burden should be for preventing the incineration of cities.

        And like before, world leaders insist the Ayatollahs are only venting when they cry, “Death to Israel! Death to America!” When in fact they mean every word!

        David Parsons, ICEJ


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