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Isn’t it? Thanks Sara.
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You’re welcome.yeah, it was a great video. Thanks for sharing it, Bryan. 🙂
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Pretty teenager doing black genre rap. Sums up here “pretty” well.
Campus politics depth. Let’s hug trees, tweet about campus oppression
Mark Steyn might just be the world’s most read columnist at this time. Maybe. I don’t even know how I try to ascertain a statistic on it.
He makes this remarkable, literally remarkable point, how can 147 separated out Christians be executed in Kenya and a president stand up and wag the finger about Christians being unloving at an Easter prayer breakfast.
Well. Obama is just like this ‘pretty’ white girl doing feel good perpetual teenage politics. Bloody corpses dishonored by not having their faith remembered specifically are ‘twice’ crucified.
Jesus sent Paul – very specifically. Paul very specifically warned about ‘twice’ crucifying the Son of God.
Ommmmmmmmmmmm. let us all listen to the learned experience wisdom of pretty teenage youtube sensations and not feel guilty about celebrating the irony of self celebrators denying their self celebrations on youtube and feel deep, meaningful and planet savers.
She is a pretty girl. And God made them. Would her ‘sermon’ sound deep at the funerals of 147 dead Kenyans? Would her “empathy” and “empowerment” move people, anyone, to tears?
Yes, I’m white and a sinner, guilty of not doing a youtube rap piece. I can’t haunt here. And if the Holy Spirit is gone, would anyone notice?
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How miserable and cynical can you get PhillipGeorge? How do we identify cynical Christians? They would never be caught in public wearing the ridiculous T-shirt they got at that legalistic dating conference from earlier days in the youth group. Christian cynics would be humiliated if anyone found the old “What Would Jesus Do?” bracelet buried in their desk drawer. They would listen to the Christian pop music radio station only for laughs. They would try to avoid displaying too much emotion during a worship service or answering correctly too many questions at the Bible study, lest they suffer from the dreaded accusation of being “hyper-spiritual.
Cynics have been wounded, or at least frustrated, and their edgy spirituality is the spirituality of those whose spiritual wounds and frustrations have become infected, when their brokenness has soured into bitterness.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/biblestudies/articles/spiritualformation/faithwithoutillusions.html
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Nah,
Its not cynicism. It’s experience.
I was in an audience of people clapping Robert Mugabe at LaTrobe University Student Union. Maybe the only person there, of two thousand odd, not clapping.
Here’s your anthem…
……you know, ending African poverty.
…..Jane Fonda saving Africa
Went to Kevin Crombie’s book launch, Gallipoli-the road to Jerusalem, a couple of weeks ago.He struggles to get people to remember the Armenian slaughter. I didn’t realize Mount Arafat wasn’t always in today’s Turkey.
I was also in an audience of people clapping Moshe Dayan. He’s the one who handed back the Temple Mount/ to the Jordanian – you know – that was to secure peace!
Replacing the gospel of Jesus with teenage sentimentalism isn’t merely dangerous – history shows it’s deadly. But then Dom and I aren’t talking about the same Jesus. I suspect we aren’t either.
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You have no idea mate. What are doing doing to help? Seriously. You are a clanging cymbal. Miserable
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Help who with what? If there is a problem that requires remedy here spell it out.
Help Kate? She appears to be senior high or college? Help her with her testimony? Help her reach her college age Christian family in Kenya or Nigeria? Help her ecumenicism with Islam? Help conservatives see the beauty of Islam? Is that last one it? Do you want your fellow Christian family to embrace Muhammad’s message? Or help Kate find love, commitment and fulfillment in modern American Culture?
Remember I was on a ship struggling with nausea when I posted here? I stayed because of Dabbles, Dom, Austin3.16. I my humble opinion you neither ‘helped’ them nor challenged their beliefs with your own. But that’s an opinion.
In my humble opinion Bryan a Christian who loves muslims is prepared to tell them they are wrong, deeply, wrong about who Jesus Christ is.
cheers, in His Holy Name, Jesus, Son of God
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Passive aggressive. You’re an expert but you probably don’t even know it. Very sad.
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psycho babble from the all about me generation…….
honestly think a CS Lewis would recognize a Rob Buckingham type touchy feel good church?
in any case might Jesus choose between us for the gospels we profess. They don’t appear the same on paper or indeed.
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The Me generation? I thought it was all about YOU PhillipGeorge.
Might Jesus choose between us? I’ll leave that for Jesus to decide. Not you.
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Do you believe some of the stuff you sprout out PG ?
When you first turned up, your bigotry was in my face. You refused to speak with me and you wanted to escort my family and I to the airport because multiculturalism does not work in Australia and you wanted me out of here.
So from this example I am suppose to see the love of God and see the error of my ways ?
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“Might Jesus choose between us?”
Probably not what you were expecting Phillip George,
But He has…..chosen between you, and I cried:
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
Luke 18:9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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From memory Dom I think I offered to buy you a ticket to go and convert Shiites to Sunni-y-dom / or at least help pay for a ticket. I even recall a hundred dollar gift via Bryan.
So I don’t think you’re characterization is even vaguely accurate.
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Yes Mon, and Brother Paul, also said, if anyone, angels included, come preaching any other Gospel than what I have declared let them be condemned. He very specifically repeats himself almost immediately
Monica. How’s Kathleen?
Now after Brother Paul died, I believe Muhammad claims angels came to him with some new gospel.
Mon, I neither hate Bryan or Dom.
But Islam and Social Justice Warriors, new liberals are a perfect storm. And It is quite impossible to hold normal relations with anyone to whom duplicity is a virtue. Taqiyya to all infidels. Charlie Hebdo meant what to you? They deserved it?
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Hi Phillip G,
No, unfortunately I do not know how Kathleen is. She hasn’t been around for months. I miss her. I would have loved to stay in touch with her, but I know that she values her anonymity.
I saw a comment by the Prophet HUP on Andrew Bolt’s blog not that long ago, so I know he’s still around.
No Christian has got it altogether. Something to ponder—the judgment you make on individuals, is it through God’s heart?
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PhillipGeorge the reason you gave to deport me is;
“Why should you enjoy any residual fruits of Christendom without having contributed anything at all in the defense of it?”
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and who can forget;
“I’d rather a whore house in my street than a mosque”
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Rehab was a whore in the genealogy of Christ. Whores can be saved/ receive Jesus Christ into their hearts.
Where is there forgiveness for people who reject the resurrection of Jesus and the gift of the Holy Spirit? Of course death follows Islam llke it followed satan’s false testimony.
The comment was acerbic but remains my professed belief. It’s true, I’d much rather live next to a whore house than a mosque. Whores aren’t dedicated to blasphemy.
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I’d rather live next to a whorehouse or a mosque than next to you mate. Then again, I guess you’d think the same thing about me.
I’d be happy to live next door to Dom, or Mon. Or Stewth. Or Kathleen.
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“We have assumed a strange role: We think we are the Lord’s bodyguards. Armed with the doctrines of our faith, we are set to defend Christ against blasphemy, heresy, or misinformation. Yet in seeking to face and confront the heretics of our age, we have positioned ourselves with our backs toward the Almighty. If we would but turn and glance toward Him, we would see He does not need us to protect Him from man, nor has man ever been a threat to the Most High. Indeed, if we would cease striving, even for a moment, we would find His gaze has never left us. He awaits our undivided love.” Francis Frangipane
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See Bryan, you can vote, You are a partisan, You are on record. You do have preferences.
From what I’ve passing read several thousand Sunni just voted with there feet to flee Ramadi or die
And you don’t believe it will happen here in Western Sydney or an Anzac Day parade. All those federal police, undercover agents, phone taps and data bases. It’s all just ‘not real muslims’ because you know real Islam and Dom is a real acceptable God accepted Muslim.
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Lucky you were not born 2000 years ago PG. You probably be the only one not clapping at the sermon on the mount. What’s all this psycho babble you will cry.
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quite right Dom, I don’t believe you. And you don’t believe the Gospel/ Jesus Christ’s very words. You follow a false prophet/ an anti-christ who denies the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus is the creator of Heavens and Earth, the very Word of God made manifest, the one in whom the fullness of God dwells bodily. Ironically Bryan seems to want to endorse your stand with moral abdication over your actions.
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Hey PG, Just something to think about.
Matthew 7
“You hypocrite. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”
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Just run that by me again Bryan, which sentences Jesus spoke did Muhammad improve on?
Questioning Dom and you is important to me. It’s ANZAC day this weekend and I think the Pope himself upset the Turks. Without an answer to a direct question this isn’t a dialectic.
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Did you miss it the first time PG?
Matthew 7
“You hypocrite. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”
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Well I naturally assume you are saying that in all the love of Jesus Christ Bryan by the power of the Holy Ghost.
If you actually think I’m a hypocrite perhaps you have the insights to point to some double or inconsistent standards I’ve applied here or anywhere.
Perhaps the Holy Spirit has revealed some important insight from which i can benefit.
Muhammad seems to think his ministry was an improvement on Jesus’. Perhaps you agree.
Perhaps expressing what you mean will help Bryan.
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Did you miss it the second time too PG?
Matthew 7
“You hypocrite. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”
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http://www.propheticvoice.co.uk/history/Armenian-Genocide-Boy-Prophet-Turkish-Invasion
a million plus dead Christians and I’m the hypocrite for remembering them.
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No that’s not what makes you a hypocrite.
You claim to love Jesus yet you hate so much and your aim is to divide. That’s what makes you a hypocrite PG.
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You nailed that rightly. The way I read the gospel it is divisive. It is exclusive; sinners are welcome, unbelievers keep out – and honest seekers? – there is a time limit to your welcome.
If Dom doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus, my attitude still is:- using Jesus name as an authority figure is morally bankrupt, quoting the sermon on the Mount is disingenuous to the greater cause of judging Jesus their “lesser prophet”.
All overtures of ‘common ground’ become the method of total takeover in the very real ongoing spiritual and physical wars. Australia Lindt cafe dead are buried at the foot of a flag called multicultural. If this makes me a hypocrite – I am.
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PG, You are a hypocrite because you preach hatred. And in using the name Jesus to preach your hatred you are arrogant and un-Christian.
And if you’re gonnna quote the gospels try this:
John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another
1 John 2:9
Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness
AND
Proverbs 8:13 Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.
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No, i don’t even ‘hate’ satan. I hate what he said, what he did.
I hate the koran, not muslims.
And as for those having rejected the Gospel. We have nothing in common.
I don’t hate anyone. It’s a list without names. I seek retribution on no-one. There’s no-one there.
What Dom is doing is perpetuating Muhammad’s error. A fake Jesus.
I hate the koran.
Now in much of the world that statement would get me killed. If this is where we differ, if it is now exposed. So be it. It’s better in the open – everything will be. anyway.
Two cannot walk as one unless they be agreed. Eg. Danny Nalliah might have some very confused politics, but I’d stand with him in condemning the koran.
If this is “hate” speech to you so be it. Paul said there wouldn’t be another gospel. I stand with him on that.
And I’m not the one burning flags of screaming racist with glazed eye looks.
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You hate a book?
And you don’t hate anyone?
Ok Tell Dom you love him…unconditionally.
Then I’ll listen to you.
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That’s not what Romans says Bryan.
Romans 12.9
9 Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong.
ie. Don’t feign affection and do what is really right.
For maybe 15 minutes in my life, living in Brisbane in about 1993, I felt God’s Divine love for two people. It was like a spiritual gift look at heaven.
For me loving Dom is trying to prevent him driving off a cliff following the doctrine of demons, Muhammad’s jinn
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You didn’t really express unconditional love there PG. Bit hard for you I guess.
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You hit the nail on the head there Bryan. Well done.
I await PhilipGeorge’s reply with interest.
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It would be and is wrong to conflate human emotion with divine love. Divine love allows people the free will right to suicide.
And worship God in Spirit and in Truth means call doctrinal errors out for what they are. See Paul REBUKE Peter over fleshly circumcision.
This above teenage girl/ young woman appears all excited about her public dedication.
Loving sinners of Jerusalem didn’t stop God allowing Titus’ army to sack Jerusalem in 70 AD – perhaps kill a million or more and sell the remaining as slaves.
If you love Islam say so. If you love Dom, warn him.
Muhammad specifically rejects the Crucifixion death and resurrection of Jesus.
Saying you love Dom and embrace Islam, is to deny God’s only salvation.
If you pretend to honour Dom’s allah, realize, Dom’s allah didn’t raise Jesus from the dead, hasn’t paid for mankind’s sins. The debt’s of Islam are unpaid.
There is no wriggle room in multi-cult-ism.
In judgement everything not under the blood is perfectly exposed to judgement.
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A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
It seems pretty clear PG
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And I know Jesus’ words, the Word, the Sum of thy Word is Truth, because of the Resurrection.
Loving fools won’t necessarily allow you to correct them.
Exactly the same Son of Man/ Son of God who said Love one another, also says, flee the wrath to come, in the very mouth of His True prophet, John, who baptized on Earth the very Son of God.
Love, correction and judgement are all the one set of promises.
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So where’s the love from you PG? You got the wrath and condemnation nicely wrapped up but not the love.
Don’t you believe Jesus when He said A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another?
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I was once accused here of being a bully. That really shocked me and made me take stock of the situation, and you know, the accusation turned out to be correct. Since then I’ve really tried not to be one again. It’s hard though sometimes, especially when we are passionate about the things of God. But Christians should never resort to bully tactics.
You’ve told Dom and us many times how you feel about Islam, Phillip. You are forceful and aggressive here.
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see below Mon,
Ps. I hope you make it out alright,
the Armenian child prophet’s prophesy took many many years to come to pass. But then it did, very brutally,
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Rest in the Lord’s peace, Phillip G.
And know that many things you say about Islam would resonate with others. Nothing you are saying is news to me. I’ve been around Pentecostal (prophetic) people/circles for a very long time and I can assure you that I am no fan of the religion of Islam either. And I have certainly heard all the prophecies of doom and gloom, war, invasions, God’s judgment upon the nations, etc., etc. But I quit stressing over them years ago, although these days I fear for my grand-babies’ future. But I must not dwell on what might be. I must not live in fear, and you my dear Phillip, I see as a harbinger of fear. We all need balance:
How beautiful upon the mountains
Are the feet of him who brings good news,
Who proclaims peace,
Who brings glad tidings of good things,
Who proclaims salvation,
Who says to Zion,
“Your God reigns!”
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Well said Mon. Thanks.
I love Psalm 27:1
The LORD is my light and my salvation– whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life– of whom shall I be afraid?
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Remembering the Charlie Hebdo dead, congratulations Bronwyn Bishop.
The Artist is Pope.
the delivery man is Bishop.
Onward Christian Soldiers
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-21/australian-cartoonist-makes-a-mark-on-charlie-hebdo/6409180
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The Lord’s Resistance Army, claiming to be Christian,, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the “Holy Spirit” LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle
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Your peers didn’t really get the ‘rod’ of correction. It’s not this generation. We protect bicycle riders with helmets and have spawned one of the world’s higher youth suicide rates. Junkies, iced up clubbers, narcissists.
A failure to discipline is not love. Tough love got a mention here once or twice and you don’t seem to believe in that either. If someone’s singing is awful it ain’t love to give them praise over it. You posted, didn’t you, on the recent research that over praising/ over encouraging children leads to narcissistic sociopaths or did you?
………… to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
It really doesn’t look like you believe the whole Word of God. When Jesus made a whip to drive the money changers out of the temple that was/is pure love. When he told Peter, get behind me satan, it was love.
You cannot say you love men and then disobey God or short cut his words. The warning and stop now sign at the end of the washed out road is the love.
Rodney Howard Brown in Melbourne said the drowning man doesn’t care how the life raft gets delivered to him. A cursing swearing tattooed sunburned sailor will be as effective as the saccharine politically corrected ironed pleats shiny brass officers. When you’re on board with the salvation story its only Jesus. All alternate paths are death. cheers.
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You can’t do it can you PG?
You can’t follow the commandment of Jesus.. A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another?
You can’t tell Dom you love him ..unconditionally.
It really doesn’t look like you believe the whole Word of God
That must shake your arrogance to the core.
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I can hear Phillip[George spluttering. He has been thoroughly outed as a hypocrite.
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There’s one very important addendum to this. Bryan, Bryan, Bryan, how many of your divorced and remarried friends once told their wives they really loved them.
A. None of them
B. All of them.
C. Some of them.
and I don’t expect you get this post either.
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Oh PG, you’ve hung yourself on your own petard (again). You just can’t follow the commandment of Jesus.. A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another?
It’s quite clear. But you can’t seem to do it. Do you think Jesus was wrong?
Far better to express red herrings, wrath and indignation eh?
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No, just spell it out, of and for which people do you feel the need to be crucified?
Jesus simply laid down his physical life? Where and for whom do you intend to do likewise?
Who have you bled for?
To whom are all your earthly goods given away?
If you wish to raise us all on His example I want specifics.
Where were you imprisoned? Flogged? Physically abused for the pure gospel?
….. all ears
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As I said PG, . You just can’t ignore the commandment of Jesus.. A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another?
It’s quite clear. But you can’t seem to do it. Do you think Jesus was wrong?
Ever heard of a clanging cymbal?
I’m all ears!!!!
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The Bible on unconditional love
God’s love, as described in the Bible, is clearly unconditional in that His love is expressed toward the objects of His love (i.e., His people) despite their disposition toward Him. In other words, God loves because it His nature to love (1 John 4:8), and that love moves Him toward benevolent action. The unconditional nature of God’s love is most clearly seen in the gospel. The gospel message is basically a story of divine rescue. As God considers the plight of His rebellious people, He determines to save them from their sin, and this determination is based on His love (Ephesians 1:4-5). Listen to the Apostle Paul’s words from his letter to the Romans:
“You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die” (Romans 5:6-8).
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What about Jesus’ teaching in the Sermon on the Mount (e.g., Luke 6:32-35)?”
“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinner’ love those who love them. And if you go good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you lend to those to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back.”
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What a strange world that a Russian website deals more honestly with Islam in Australia than Australian liberal journalists. Bizarre.
http://rt.com/news/252273-islamic-school-australia-virginity/
The very video clip you posted: Did you read down the comments on the Youtube pages. Everything is “awesome”. teenage cool.
I once wrote a cheque for ten grand to help a woman in her custody battle. No paperwork. Big deal. What are you trying to prove? It’s a medal to wear. I’ve given it all away more than once Bryan.
Bruchko, Bruce Olsen’s one man who sold it all, and walked into a tribe of cannibals with no back up. Big deal.
Yeah, so right, who are you about to bleed for like Jesus Christ Son of the living God?
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I see blustering Phil can’t answer your question again Bryan.
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How do people like Philip ignore John 3:17 so easily?
One ne of the most popular Biblical passages, John 3:16, is immediately followed by a passage that speaks against such condemnation.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ~John 3:17 (KJV)
If Jesus wasn’t sent to condemn the world, why are many Christians so adamant on condemning others? By doing so, they are demonstrating a great lack of faith in Jesus.
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Have you read Teresa, that Jesus is coming to rule and reign with a Rod of Iron?
Simple yes or no would do!
A girl/ young woman in France died a few days ago because she didn’t look like a muslim.
Her name is Aurelia Chatelain.
It is nearly pinch myself unbelievable that we are even holding this discussion.
To love the sinner one must condemn their sin, “the act”. There’s no way out of it.
So if you love Aurelia Chatelain’s family you might want to try to protect another young woman somewhere from being discriminantly murdered in the prime of her life for allah.
Men here aren’t really men. They are CSLewis’ men without chests. A good but another difficult read. Longer than the average youtube awesomeness feelgood
God bless you woman.
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If you acknowledge the sins of some Muslims then I assume you will also acknowledge the sins and pogroms of some Christians. Extreme racist Christians are every bit as capable of acts of terrorism as radical Islamists
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My tribute to Aurelia Chatelain is also a tribute then to free speech. Not everyone believes in it.
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The Lord’s Resistance Army, claiming to be Christian,, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves. it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the “Holy Spirit” LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle
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How do people like Philip ignore John 3:17 so easily?
One ne of the most popular Biblical passages, John 3:16, is immediately followed by a passage that speaks against such condemnation.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ~John 3:17 (KJV)
If Jesus wasn’t sent to condemn the world, why are many Christians so adamant on condemning others? By doing so, they are demonstrating a great lack of faith in Jesus.
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Right Teresa. Phil seems to think he has come to “rule with a rod of iron”. A slight Messiah complex going on there I think.
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we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
Teresa, those words come from Thessalonians. contention wasn’t an optional extra. In 1984, the allegorical story, telling the truth was an act of rebellion.
I note that David Koresh read the bible as well. What does that tell you? I note that Satan Quoted scripture, what does that tell you? I note that Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormon’s quote the bible, what does that tell you?
Synagogue of Satan is an interesting concept: a religious house of worship owned and operated by Satan.
Keeping Jesus’ commandment to love one another as He has loved us certainly begs the question, “For whom does Bryan intend to bleed and die?” If Jesus is the standard and this is the particular law he wishes to invoke at this time in his life and point in history.
Of course no where in scripture does it record Jesus telling anyone that he loved them unconditionally. He did call his mother “woman” and said “what have I got to do with you?” I hope you don’t find this confusing. But Islam is founded on blasphemy and lies. It is a house broadly divided between Sunni and Shia. Kumbaya singers aren’t really referring to allah. Between Islamic slave traders, raiders, the invasion of Europe and North Africa and India/Pakistan, the Philippines etc I rank Islam the biggest single cultic killer of them all.
the fact Jesus prophesied there would come those thinking that killing would be doing God a service – seems to have come to pass many many different ways.
I hope you don’t find these words confusing; multi culti politics, pseudo religious psycho babble, is a direct insult to Jesus – something He may forgive. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit in Islamic doctrine? Perhaps you know!
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And there’s that clanging cymbal.
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