40 thoughts on “The Freezing Homeless Child! (Social Experiment)”

  2. Again the Hindus don’t seem to refer to their ancient scripture. It speaks of one God and giving beef to your guests.

    “You will be astonished if I tell you that, according to the old ceremonials, he is not a good Hindu who does not eat beef. On certain occasions he must sacrifice a bull and eat it.”
    [The complete works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume 3, Pg 536]

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    • Too many people around. It’s up to someone else. Notice that when one person stops, others begin to notice. Yet I wonder if the reaction would be any different on a back street.

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  5. I often test people who ask me for money whether they are genuine or not by offering to take them to the nearest food outlet and buy them whatever food is available. Usually I am abused for doing so.
    Sadly, I had the misfortune of seeing a person such as the one that is portrayed in the picture above, in Fortitude Valley Queensland. He’d gone in an all night Adult Cinema/Swingers Club, and was robbed by other patrons (who proceeded to steal his clothes whilst he was having sex with someone). How do you help people in such cases? Should one help someone like that?

    It is important to help the needy people, and I have noticed that a number of people have done so, but through a genuine charity organisation. Giving money to everyone that asks indiscriminately, is not the answer.

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    • ‘Someone like that?’ There but for the grace of God goes someone like you and me. But handing out money may not be helping at all. Nor may preaching.

      Such behaviour may not be excused, but is understanding, even friendship, too much to ask?

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      • Yes you do have to be the right kind of poor to be helped. Otherwise one become guilty of aiding and abetting, and/or misdirecting limited funds from people that genuinely need our help.

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      • The RIGHT KIND of poor? I think that’s a dangerous concept. I know we have to be wise but how do we judge who is worthy and who is not. Many people are poor and it is not their fault – just circumstance.

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      • I agree with you Brian, we have to talk to people and find out the reason behind their circumstances.

        In the case that I am talking about, the guy who was robbed had to have paid $10 to get into the premises. Attending such venues is not cheap. Because there was prostitution and thievery going on (which the staff cannot police), people are told to leave their wallets and mobile phones at the counter where the staff have a safe. In fact, the Footscray (in Victoria) version of this sort of venue has a warning written at the entrance, where nobody can miss it.

        It became obvious that this person chose not to take advantage of the safeguards that had been put in place to prevent his predicament.

        I know because I took the time to talk to this person as well as the staff. It became apparent that this particular person was not sorry for going to this venue, but rather was sorrowful that he’d been robbed. Subsequently I found that he was well known to the Salvation Army for getting in trouble by looking for trouble, then expecting society to bail him out. Even they refuse to help him now, because they believe that he will never learn until he reaches rock bottom. He has not reached it yet, and we exarcebate the situation by helping him.

        You might disagree with the concept of the “worthy poor”. But remember, we all have a limited amount of resources, and these resources must be spent where they do the most good.

        Who would you help financially (especially when your resources are meagre)? Let me give you a list. You decide:
        – The wife and children who are abused by the drunk father, or the father to continue in his habit.
        – The guy who lost his job and is struggling to pay his bills, or the lady that’s run out of money to pay for the poker machines?
        – The guy who wants to work but cannot due to genuine barriers, or the dole bludger who is capable of working but can’t get off his butt?

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      • All the cases you’ve outlined are extremes I guess. But I would think that all the individuals in those cases need help. I don’t think it’s a matter of either/or.

        Jesus came for all of us, especially the sinners (which are all of us).

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      • The wife and children who are abused by the drunk father, or the father to continue in his habit.

        — The wife should have taken out a domestic violence order or moved into a domestic violence shelter. There’s plenty of agencies willing to help. If she won’t take that first step she can’t expect anybody else to bail her out.

        – The guy who lost his job and is struggling to pay his bills, or the lady that’s run out of money to pay for the poker machines?

        The guy can access social security benefits while he’s retraining or looking for work. The lady should have called a gambling help line or sought counseling before she ran out of money.

        – The guy who wants to work but cannot due to genuine barriers, or the dole bludger who is capable of working but can’t get off his butt?

        What “genuine barriers” he sounds like a bludger to me same as that other fella on the dole.

        Gee looking at things the “Davinci” way could sure save a person heaps on charitable donations. Why you don’t have to help anybody.

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      • – The wife and children who are abused by the drunk father, or the father to continue in his habit

        Of course if you help the father you might also be helping the wife and children,

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    • Charity organisation do the heavy lifting, we should be getting the ones that fall through the cracks.

      Giving to the poor should be seen as a privilege not a burden. God has given you an opportunity to do good. That person you deemed unworthy; your charity could have changed his life. That is why Satan will give you every excuse under the Sun not to give in charity including they don’t deserve it. If some of them are not worthy then they will answer to God.

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      • Dom,
        I am surprised at your comment, given that the Muslim world sends its economic refugees to countries like Australia instead of using its resources to help its brethren.

        For example, the Muslim world that artificially created that Palm shaped Island off the coast of Dubai will not help its Bangladeshi brethren who suffer poverty and the loss of land through erosion. How is this possible? It was volunteer engineers such as myself who were responsible in helping to combat land loss through erosion. Muslim engineers were nowhere to be seen. And you talk about helping people who fall through the cracks?

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      • Yes when you have 1.6 billion people it is quite easy to find some examples you like. I am sure if you have a look in Western countries you’ll find plenty of waste as well.

        I did a little bit of work with Kuwait in donating power stations that run off rubbish to third world countries. You won’t find the work that some of the Arab states do for third world countries be reported in too many circles.

        Something that was reported.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/21/muslims-give-most_n_3630830.html

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    • To go to that particular Swingers/Adult Cinema complex, that person had to pay money to do so. $10 in fact. My discussions with the management of the premises over this particular case have revealed that:
      – Management of the premises were aware that thieves may operate on their premises, but they do not have the resources to police the premises.
      – Management has often warned people that thieves may operate on the premises, and that patrons take the risk of entering the premises.
      – Management has been prohibited from installing cameras in the Cinema/Swingers part of the complex because of invasion of privacy issues.

      So what you people are asking is to help someone whose deliberate stupidity left him naked?

      Yes, we should help people that have fallen through the cracks, but do so judiciously.

      Yes there is the right type of poor that should be helped.

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      • Seeing several beggars in New York wearing better clothing and shoes than me and counting their great wad of money at the end of the day, on the streets in front of everyone, has scarred me for life.

        Yes, it pays to be discerning and wise as to whom we should give our money to.

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      • “Yes, it pays to be discerning and wise as to whom we should give our money to.”

        Sure – if having money is very important to you. I think Jesus said something along those lines that it’s good to be really tight with money and die rich. Didn’t he ??

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      • Do You Know Where Your Money Is Going?

        “Jesus made it quite clear that his followers should be wise, discerning, and fully aware. They certainly should not be gullible, lacking in proper judgment, or taken in by various tricksters and frauds. Discernment, sound moral judgment and clear thinking are to be hallmarks of the Christian’s life.

        A number of passages come to mind in this regard. Consider just two:
        -Matt. 10:16 I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
        -Luke 16:8 For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light.

        Indeed, the New Testament is full of such commands. We are to test all things, critically judge everything, and be discerning in all areas. A few more passages (of many):
        -1 Corinthians 2:15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things.
        -1 Corinthians 16:13 Be on your guard.
        -Ephesians 5:10 And find out [discern] what pleases the Lord.
        -1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 Test everything.
        -1 John 4:1,2 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

        Needless to say, such verses even apply to basic everyday activities, including how and where they spend their money. We are to be discerning about where our money goes. We are to be good stewards of the finances God has given us. We are not to waste our money, nor should we be giving our money away to bad or harmful causes.

        So don’t say you have not been warned. One day we will all stand before our Lord to give an account of our Christian life. And that will include what sort of stewards we were of the finances he provided us with.

        In this area – like so many others – good intentions alone are not enough. Good intentions can often lead to very bad and even quite sinful outcomes. So please be careful, wise and discerning in what you do with your money. You will one day give an account. Make sure you can hold your head up high on that day.”

        Do You Know Where Your Money Is Going?

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      • I was wondering what the typical day for a beggar would be like.

        Must be something like this – get up in the morning, have a light breakfast then some yoga. A couple of quick laps of the pool and then it’s a shower to freshen up before you pop into the walk-in closet to choose your outfit for the day.

        Then grab a cuppa joe to go and head into the city to find your normal begging spot.

        If it’s a good day, lots of generous tourists kinda thing, then after a light lunch you’d pop into the bank with the mornings takings. Have a chat to the manager about putting the money into the investment account or the managed funds and then back to it.

        At the end of the day pop into the gym for a quick workout, catch up with the guys and head on home.

        Yeah that must be the life of a beggar the lucky sods.

        OR it possibly could be that the beggars in question were wearing whatever clothes they had and the “great wad” of money was every single dollar in the world that they had.

        But you learn something new every day. Like that it’s right and proper for Christians to judge their fellow man.

        Up until now I didn’t know that. I had thought it was quite the opposite.

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      • Yeah, whatever Paddy.

        You haven’t changed one little bit. Still jumping to the wrong conclusions about some of us Christians. Maybe that’s because you have problems comprehending what’s actually being said. Or perhaps you are just hard-wired to be critical, always thinking the worst of believers. Who knows? Maybe you are God in disguise and know all there is to know about beggars and their great wads of money, eh? Or even better, you know about the circumstances in the lives of Christians for whom money does not grow on trees and have to work hard, long hours for every cent they earn. Or perhaps you know about wives who, out of respect for their husband’s hard earned money, do not give away his money willy nilly without first using their God-given brain to discern any given situation at hand.

        Generosity of spirit is a condition of the heart. You can feel self-satisfied with yourself and your giving all you like, but I would never call you a generous soul.

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      • A person may be in dire need of help, which may appear at first to be financial. But there may be another need behind that. I agree that giving money may not always be helping, but there is so much else to give. A little friendship and compassion can alter a person’s life. No?

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      • What wrong conclusions? I think the comments you and Davinci have been making speak for themselves.

        It’s not my fault that they don’t speak well.

        If I’m hard wired to be critical of anything it’s hypocrisy. As to beggars no I don’t know all about them. There have been time in my life when things were financially tight the “what bill do we pay this month and what can we let slide” kinda thing but I’ve never been in the situation where I’ve needed to ask strangers for money. I’d imagine I’d have to be pretty desperate to do that.

        So no I don’t know all about beggars, and because of that I don’t know which ones are worthy and which aren’t. I’m not stupid enough to judge them.

        You want to make excuses for ignoring the guy you’re supposed to worship, that’s fine but you might as well just make em to yourself. I for one don’t particularly want to hear them.

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      • I just googled, “beggars in New York counting great wads of money” and here’s an article in the New York Post:

        http://nypost.com/2013/03/26/bum-given-boots-by-kind-hearted-cop-is-back-to-begging-barefoot/

        Yes, I’ve been reduced to begging—not for money—for help, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

        “You want to make excuses for ignoring the guy you’re supposed to worship”

        Sure Paddy, you must know eh? But as flawed as I may be, I know I can find forgiveness and redemption in the God I truly love…..thank you Jesus for enduring the Cross that I may have eternal life with You.

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      • Sounds like the poor guy could have some mental health issues. maybe even PTSD if he is a former vet if so here’s hoping he gets the help he needs.

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      • I do wonder though what happen to his great clothes and shoes that apparently ALL the beggars in New York wear

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      • There ya go Paddy,

        You’re out of hiding now. This is the old Paddy I know. Try not to annoy your loved-ones too much this weekend will you, there’s a good boy.

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        I’m going to have a great weekend Susan, hope you and Doug do the same.

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    • davinci on March 30, 2015 at 11:28 said:
      “Sadly, I had the misfortune of seeing a person such as the one that is portrayed in the picture above, in Fortitude Valley Queensland. He’d gone in an all night Adult Cinema/Swingers Club, and was robbed by other patrons (who proceeded to steal his clothes whilst he was having sex with someone). How do you help people in such cases? Should one help someone like that?”

      He wasn’t so much a victim of that incident, but of whatever brought him to that pass. It would probably need someone of special sensitivity to befriend him, to non-judgmentally allow him to overcome what he needs to overcome. Not many are equipped to do such work, but a prayer for him to meet one wouldn’t go astray. 🙂

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    • “I often test people who ask me for money whether they are genuine or not by offering to take them to the nearest food outlet and buy them whatever food is available. ”

      Yeah and if what they really need is bus fare, or to scrape up enough dollars to spend a night or two in a boarding house rather than sleeping on the streets then your offer of food would go down a real treat.

      I’m just surprised you’re not physically assaulted. Probably cause those doing the asking are, despite any outward appearance, decent human beings.

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