Two girls powerfully shatter religious stereotypes


14 thoughts on “Two girls powerfully shatter religious stereotypes

  1. Aaah !
    Did you hear the words under lining a very large problem .
    The words or it,s equivalent in many languages is said by many but those many don,t see it itself is a major problem .
    “”MY PEOPLE””
    Have a closer look at how much #### these words have made !!


    • “MY PEOPLE ”
      What a divisive couple of words with so much sub text ,innuendos .superstitions ,insults ,superiority .
      And what those two girls are failing to grasp is there can be no good in ‘MY PEOPLE ”
      Those two words are just a way of saying “TRIBALISM”


  2. An interesting thing is the Muslim girl is supposed to be a descendant of Esau, and the Jewish girl a descendant of Jacob. Esau’s tribe inhabited Edom/Judea in the south, and Jacob’s tribe inhabited Israel in the north. The Muslim girl is therefore a Judean or Jew, and the Jewish girl an Israelite, not Jew!

    Great to see the misguided tangled web of history being cut away by friendship and mutual common sense.

    I suppose Jesus was technically a Judean, not an Israelite, as his parents had to go to Judea for the census But he was raised a Galilean, a people known to be influenced by Galilee’s close proximity to largely pagan cities, of which in the first century the new Hellenistic centers of Tiberias and Sepphoris were the chief examples.

    “Galilee had been under separate administration from Judea during almost all its history since the tenth century B.C. (apart from a period of “reunification” under the Maccabees), and in the time of Jesus it was under a (supposedly) native Herodian prince, while Judea and Samaria had since A.D. 6 been under the direct rule of a Roman prefect.”

    Galileans were known too to be lax in their observance of proper ritual, and the problem was exacerbated by the distance of Galilee from the temple and the theological leadership, which was focused in Jerusalem.


    • Actually the Bible does not make a difference between Judean and Israelite (Romans 11:1). Notice that Paul was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin (which had been integrated into the kingdom of Judah after the death of Solomon). In fact whilst the tribal distinctions were still recognised, Jew and Israelite are used synonymously to denote what we know as Jews. So from a Jewish perspective this distinction between Jew and Israelite is an artificial one.

      Furthermore Edom was a separate kingdom to Judah both in the old and new testament. Perhaps whoever made this comment that one of the girls was an Israelite and the other one a jew should pull their head in and check ancient geopolitical maps.

      There is no distinction today between Israelite and Jew and there was no such distinction back in biblical times either.



        Seir was the first inhabitant of the “land of Seir” (Gen 36:30) before the birth of Esau. The Horites were descended from Seir, but the origin of Seir is not recorded in the Bible. There is an extensive list of the descendants of “Seir the Horite” their rulers in Genesis 36:20-30.The etymology of Horite appears to be connected with living in caves. So Seir was a man who lived in caves: “Seir the Horite” or Seir the cave dweller.

        The Edomites had their origin in 2000 BC at the birth of Esau. The Edomites were descended from Esau who is the brother of Jacob and son of Isaac. “Now these are the records of the generations of Esau (that is, Edom).” Genesis 36:1; “So Esau lived in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom.” Genesis 36:8; “These are the chiefs of Edom (that is, Esau, the father of the Edomites), according to their habitations in the land of their possession.” Genesis 36:43

        In 1920 BC, Esau first moved to Seir (which became the land of Edom) in before the return of Jacob from Laban.
        When Esau moved to Seir, he killed off the Horites and took over the land. “The Horites formerly lived in Seir, but the sons of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them and settled in their place, just as Israel did to the land of their possession which the Lord gave to them.)” Deut 2:12.
        Esau had continuous occupation of “Seir” from the time he first moved there in 1920 BC, down to the Exodus in 1446 BC: “just as He did for the sons of Esau, who live in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them; they dispossessed them and settled in their place even to this day.” Deuteronomy 2:22
        Isaac was born in 2060 BC: Genesis 25:26. Isaac died in 1880 BC: Gen 35:28. Esau and Jacob were born in 2000 BC. Isaac blessed Esau and Jacob in 1923 BC. After Jacob stole the blessing of Esau, he moved away for 21 years to live with Laban. Upon returning Jacob meets Esau at the crossing point of the Jabbok river. Esau was already living in “Edom” in 1902 BC when the two brother’s reunited after Jacob returned from Laban.

        Scholars, among them Prof. Beit-Arieh, believe that after the destruction of Solomon’s Temple by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, the Edomites took advantage of the situation to expand into a severely weakened Judah. The Biblical account of this expansion into the Negev can now be backed up by mounting archeological evidence. The Edomite shrines at Horvat Qitmit, ‘Ein Hatzeva and in the Arava, with their extraordinary cult objects, may mark the path of the Edomite expansion into Judah. In any event, they clearly indicate an Edomite presence in the region connecting Edom and Judah.

        At the time of the Exodus, Edom did not live west of the Arabah valley. Edom remained transjordan from 2000 BC the until after the Babylonian captivity of 586 BC. When Judea was deported, Edom moved in to fill the void. Archeology proves Edom did not come into Judah until 700 BC.

        Somewhere I have a reference of Edomites being named Iewes (Jews), I think perhaps in a biblical translation, I forget. At any rate they have been merged for a long long time.

        The whole purpose of my post was to support the action of the girls as they dismiss such mistakenly perceived differences, so basically, Davinci., we are in agreement.


      • Exactly. But the Jewish religion, unlike so many others, is based on writings supposed to be historically accurate. God’s people had an ethnicity, which the marriage laws tried hard to maintain. If they’ve failed, which seems obvious, the Jews had no more right to a homeland than do Christians or Callathumpians.

        I don’t blame them. I am not wise enough to know how the situation post the World Wars should have been dealt with.


      • A terrible crime was committed against the Jews by the Germans. Post World War it should have been the Germans who gave up their land not the Palestinians.


      • The German people can’t be blamed either for trying to cope with the reparations from WWI, for initially seeing Hitler as a saviour, until too late. Until Hitler’s progroms, Germany had been a lot kinder to Jews than other nations.

        Considering their previous kindness, you are probably right, Dom!


      • I don’t know many people who would feel kind to a people who remove them from their homes Strewth. The crimes were performed by one but the consequences were felt by another.


      • Really?….”A terrible crime was committed against the Jews by the Germans. ”
        Define “Crime”.
        (Hint. It certainly wasn’t a ‘crime’ vis-a-vis german law at the time. (Nor that of a few others, either.)
        One might as well claim a ‘terrible wrong’ was committed…. and try to define that.

        And let’s not forget the jews have always, only, ever been guests in another’s country, and have NEVER had a ‘legitimate’ homeland that wasn’t violently taken from someone else. Neither have they ever managed to get on with their neighbours throughout a long and tumultuous ‘history’.
        The nazis encouraged the jews to leave germany for a number of years prior to war breaking out, but NObody else would take them.

        Whatever the ins-and-outs of it all, GOD works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform.
        Doesn’t he?
        It’s obviously all his fault.


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